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mathman0806
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 09:21 |
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^ You'll get aid. Just say that the perpetual fires are a barrier to the keep Mexicans out. |
You're saying that Trump will provide Federal funds so California keeps burning. ![Tongue Tongue](smileys/smiley17.gif) < ="text/" async="" ="https://cdn.mxpnl.com/libs/mixpanel-2-latest.min.js">
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 10:45 |
^ Absolutely! You mean that you never heard of a...(wait for it)...firewall?
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 11:44 |
I'm glad Jeff Sessions is gone. The only thing Sessions did was continue the war on drugs. Now Trump can move to Federally legalize weed.
Elections? Dems win House while GOP adds a tad to their Senate Majority. Balance is beautiful!
How does Trump's first midterm House compare to Obama's first midterm? During Obama's first midterm election, the democrats lost 63 seats. During Trump's first midterm election the GOP lost 30 seats, with 13 races still too close to call.
About a month ago on this thread, I made a prediction. I had pointed out that Trump's tax cuts save me a few thousand a year. Someone (who will go unnamed) countered with rising gas prices. I then predicted gas prices would start to go down. Since my prediction...nationwide, gas prices down 21 cents a gallon over the last month.
Now, I predict the Mueller probe will wind up in the next 2-3 months. I predict Mueller will find zero Trump-Russian collusion. But then again, I predicted no Trump -Russia collusion over a year an half ago...on this very thread.
By using facts instead of feelings- plus research, and evidence...I'm able to make predictions that come to pass. I'm not special. Anyone, using scientific method techniques can do the same thing. Wouldn't you say that predictions based on scientific method is the best way to measure and predict reality?
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 12:09 |
Prog related politics involving The Mars Volta. :)
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mathman0806
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 12:40 |
SteveG wrote:
^ Absolutely! You mean that you never heard of a...(wait for it)...firewall?
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I can actually hear Trump saying, "The FIRE WALL, it will be a big and beautiful thing."
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 13:41 |
I'm also glad Sessions is gone.....though someone even 'worse' could end up in the job. Balance is good. Gas prices have gone up and down many times over the last 2 years....predictions on that are meaningless. And pundits on tv have been saying for a little while now the Mueller probe will wind up soon. So much for 'scientific predictions'.
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 14:03 |
dr wu23 wrote:
I'm also glad Sessions is gone.....though someone even 'worse' could end up in the job.Balance is good. Gas prices have gone up and down many times over the last 2 years....predictions on that are meaningless. And pundits on tv have been saying for a little while now the Mueller probe will wind up soon. So much for 'scientific predictions'.
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Say what you will wu. My prediction of gas prices going down wasn't so meaningless in the stock market. My husband shorted oil stocks and scalped a decent meaningful profit. I must admit my prediction was heavily influenced by my husband, who has traded his own money in the stock market for two decades.
Since your emperor avatar sits upon throne, you don't need facts or science. ...Wu's opinion, declaration, and decrees become truth the minute you punch "Post". I predicted 1 1/2 years ago that Russian-Trump collusion would be disproved. All the MSM pundits claimed the opposite of my prediction. What about that prediction dr wu23?
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 14:29 |
^ Once again gas prices go up and down all the time and many people have made money shorting such types of commodities. My broker has offered such things to me in the past but I usually don't have the nerve to do it.
And again ...other people 'predicted' (on both sides btw...) that it was likely that no 'collusion' with Russians would be found...join a large club on that one. (BTW..even if there were collusion, it might be that it can't be proven for various reasons.)
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 18:35 |
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@Micky: I'm not quite sure whether you meant me with 'our German friend', but just in case you did: I'm British, I've just been living in Germany for a while.
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yeah man.. who the hell else would I be talking about... Ompha is our Russian friend haha the rest of us knuckleheaded upstarts bent on ruling the world.
anyhow... wow and double wow... of curiousity did some number crunching this election shattered the previous record (1964)for off year elections for turnout by percentage. It pretty much equaled a Presidential turn out. Which makes the takeaways from this election very pertinent to what is coming in 2020.
Here in Va. 8. in 2016 360k got out to vote.. in 2018...323k
a harder crunch I did this evening while following the Az votes as they came in. (early voting, traditional voting, and dropping off ballots the day of = wow man.. it looks like Sinema is going to take it.. but the result really won't be known until next week. GOP insiders pretty much admitted that if Sinema expanded her slim lead from yesterday (she doubled it today) this race was pretty much over.
in 2016 for a true battleground state voter turnout was 75% or approx 74% or 2.6 million votes cast
in 2018.. with seemingly 100's of thousands still outstadnding.. over 2 million votes have been counted in Az.
that is the main takeaway from 2018. the turnout.. both sides are highly energized to vote and taking an interest in what is going on. That really is a good thing man... and the most likely reason 2016 isn't going to repeat itself. There will likely be next to no voter apathy.. especially on the Democratic side.
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 20:25 |
^ '64 ? Weird, that was the year Johnson finished Kennedy's first term and started his own first term.
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 20:28 |
whooops.. typo... 1966 had the highest voter turnout for a midterm David at just under 50%.
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 20:40 |
Okay, that makes more sense.
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 20:55 |
omphaloskepsis wrote:
I'm glad Jeff Sessions is gone. The only thing Sessions did was continue the war on drugs. Now Trump can move to Federally legalize weed.
Elections? Dems win House while GOP adds a tad to their Senate Majority. Balance is beautiful!
How does Trump's first midterm House compare to Obama's first midterm? During Obama's first midterm election, the democrats lost 63 seats. During Trump's first midterm election the GOP lost 30 seats, with 13 races still too close to call.
About a month ago on this thread, I made a prediction. I had pointed out that Trump's tax cuts save me a few thousand a year. Someone (who will go unnamed) countered with rising gas prices. I then predicted gas prices would start to go down. Since my prediction...nationwide, gas prices down 21 cents a gallon over the last month.
Now, I predict the Mueller probe will wind up in the next 2-3 months. I predict Mueller will find zero Trump-Russian collusion. But then again, I predicted no Trump -Russia collusion over a year an half ago...on this very thread.
By using facts instead of feelings- plus research, and evidence...I'm able to make predictions that come to pass. I'm not special. Anyone, using scientific method techniques can do the same thing. Wouldn't you say that predictions based on scientific method is the best way to measure and predict reality?
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In 2010, the US economy was only just getting out of the worst recession since the 1930s. Now you have a booming economy, tax cuts et al. With a more popular Republican president, the GOP would have done better in the mid term polls, perhaps not conceded very many seats at all to the Democrats. Trump's handling of MeToo alienated suburban women voters and his inability to unequivocally call a spade a spade after the Pittsburgh shooting was the last straw. If the October surprise did Hillary in in 2016, Pittsburgh was the late nasty bit of bad news that hurt Trump with not enough time to pull back. He could have salvaged it by doing anything other than recommending those going to the synagogue to offer prayers to go armed.
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Posted: November 09 2018 at 21:11 |
the more so as regards the many parallels between then..and now... however this isn't just a short term culture clash.. young and old.. or even black and white, or peace and war... it seems it has become, as ummm some have long predicted, a scorched earth culture and ideological war across many fronts.
It really is an interesting time in our country.....
The one good thing can say about Trump.. he will have indeed shaken up and altered the politics of this country. He more than any single policy issue has mobilized the opposition and given rise the ascendant left in the country.. not to mention banging several nails into the coffin of the national Republican party. They do seem they are well on their way to becoming a rump regional party.. an opposition party for all intents and purposes whose core supporters are male, white and rural.. and uneducated.
I have read privately.. though it should have been no surprise.. that some higher up Republicans are in shock about the now very likely Senate loss in Arizona... no wonder they are Republians..typical ..have they been laying any attention to what is going on. Of course not.. the echo chamber of Fauxnews doesn't get high ratings by telling its watchers what they don't want to hear. Much less actual news and facts.
Demographic change .. oh.. and alienating suburban women was going to kill that party. The electoral math for them has not been good for some years. It really did take a straight flush by Trump to win in 2016... it only gets harder and even less likely in 2020 that he can pull a Royal flush. Not with a) Hillary out of the picture and b) democratic voting apathy likely shattered for quite some time. the Repubicans really turned out their vote.. and still they nearly got bitch slapped across the board. Lost nearly 300 statewide seats across the country.. multiple Gov's, multiple state houses, the House by a wider margin than most really thought possible due to gerrymandering and of course very strong Republican voter turn out.. and it is likely their Senate gains will be a plus 1 or 2.. a far cry of what they could have had.
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Posted: November 10 2018 at 00:47 |
micky wrote:
the more so as regards the many parallels between then..and now... however this isn't just a short term culture clash.. young and old.. or even black and white, or peace and war... it seems it has become, as ummm some have long predicted, a scorched earth culture and ideological war across many fronts.
It really is an interesting time in our country.....
The one good thing can say about Trump.. he will have indeed shaken up and altered the politics of this country. He more than any single policy issue has mobilized the opposition and given rise the ascendant left in the country.. not to mention banging several nails into the coffin of the national Republican party. They do seem they are well on their way to becoming a rump regional party.. an opposition party for all intents and purposes whose core supporters are male, white and rural.. and uneducated.
I have read privately.. though it should have been no surprise.. that some higher up Republicans are in shock about the now very likely Senate loss in Arizona... no wonder they are Republians..typical ..have they been laying any attention to what is going on. Of course not.. the echo chamber of Fauxnews doesn't get high ratings by telling its watchers what they don't want to hear. Much less actual news and facts.
Demographic change .. oh.. and alienating suburban women was going to kill that party. The electoral math for them has not been good for some years. It really did take a straight flush by Trump to win in 2016... it only gets harder and even less likely in 2020 that he can pull a Royal flush. Not with a) Hillary out of the picture and b) democratic voting apathy likely shattered for quite some time. the Repubicans really turned out their vote.. and still they nearly got bitch slapped across the board. Lost nearly 300 statewide seats across the country.. multiple Gov's, multiple state houses, the House by a wider margin than most really thought possible due to gerrymandering and of course very strong Republican voter turn out.. and it is likely their Senate gains will be a plus 1 or 2.. a far cry of what they could have had.
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I think the difference between 2016 and now is that then, even those suburban voters voted for the party, hoping/believing that they would keep Trump in check. They seem to have lost that faith, at least for now, and delivered a strong repudiation of the GOP. Some of its own leaders had predicted that the Kavanaugh defence was going to cost them suburban votes in the House and it has. They seem to have decided that keeping control of the Senate for long enough to populate the Supreme Court with youngish conservative judges was more important. In other words, they are already preparing for the eventuality that Trump may be a one term president. If the Dems are smart, they won't rush to impeach him and let him defeat himself in 2020. I had my doubts earlier over whether Democrats had a pathway to victory but after the Midterms, I feel it is doable IF they mobilise the suburban vote and field moderate faces to sew up the Midwest. They cannot repeat the 2016 mistake of writing off Midwest voters as 'bigoted'; find a platform instead that's inclusive and not solely dependent on a minority coalition. Trump has inadvertently handed them a path to slice up the white vote so that even if Trump consolidates the non college educated white vote (but loses most of the minority vote), it may not be enough.
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Posted: November 10 2018 at 05:34 |
and who really thinks 2020 will be different.. granted regardless of public facade of bravado.. I suspect Trump knows he facing a very stacked deck in his reeletion aspects. Will he change? Does anyone really expect him to? He got where he got by being himself, in that you can actually respect him for that.
I don't know if you saw it Madan but here was a nice article about what Trump has done to suburban women. The key is... is isnt' just Trump.. it has been going on slowly for decades. He just accelerated it.
it has often been a question that Poltical Scientists have been asking.. what was the tipping point with relying primarily on white male voters.. a dwindling aspect of the overall voter pie. It was going to come, as in with a couple decades minorities will be the new majority in the country. It seems 2018 might have been the first case where they simply were overwhelemed at the national level. Not a question of whites not turning out.. but the first tipping point where the aspects the Republicans have alienated, minority and women, finally overtook white male voter.
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Posted: November 10 2018 at 05:47 |
and yet another takeaway from the 2018 midterms.. it seems pollsters did learn lessons from 2016. Polls were fairly spot on with exception to the Tennessee Senate race which was forecast to be much closer than the laugher it turned out to be.
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micky wrote:
and who really thinks 2020 will be different.. granted regardless of public facade of bravado.. I suspect Trump knows he facing a very stacked deck in his reeletion aspects. Will he change? Does anyone really expect him to? He got where he got by being himself, in that you can actually respect him for that.
I don't know if you saw it Madan but here was a nice article about what Trump has done to suburban women. The key is... is isnt' just Trump.. it has been going on slowly for decades. He just accelerated it.
it has often been a question that Poltical Scientists have been asking.. what was the tipping point with relying primarily on white male voters.. a dwindling aspect of the overall voter pie. It was going to come, as in with a couple decades minorities will be the new majority in the country. It seems 2018 might have been the first case where they simply were overwhelemed at the national level. Not a question of whites not turning out.. but the first tipping point where the aspects the Republicans have alienated, minority and women, finally overtook white male voter.
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Great article and that is exactly what has happened. Their disgust with Trump has spilled over to the GOP in turn for being craven and not resisting him.
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Posted: November 10 2018 at 07:44 |
^ yep.. see the link I posted regarding the exit polls.
and about those exit polls. The most glaring and wow inducing element might be the over 65 vote, we all knew the Republicans had a big problem with women.. not so much with seniors.... if that trend continues into 2020 and again considering this was pretty much a dress rehersal for 2020.. with extremely high turnout from both parties. .there is no reason not to see it as such. Especially if the Republicans want to address that .. they (like the rest of us) have to first figure out why seniors shifted 16 points more Democratic this election. In short it really does look like the Republicans are screwed in 2020 for much of any shortfall from 2016 to 2018 could be laid at the feet of the heavily democratic leaning under 30 set. Only 13% of the vote in 2018.. was 19% in 2016.
which is a good segue-way into the never too early first breakdowns of the 2020 election which hopefully I'll get posted later today... you think these last 2 years passed quickly.. so will the next year before we are into the reelection campaign.
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