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philippe
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 07:27 |
A minority of prog rock bands are already very very popular and sell as many albums as the kings of commercial music: I mean GONG, Pink Floyd, Genesis, ELP, Yes...are in the business music and make big money! You can easily find their stuffs everywhere!! if they not come to you by themselves
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Citanul
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 07:53 |
philippe wrote:
A minority of prog rock bands are already very very
popular and sell as many albums as the kings of commercial music: I
mean GONG, Pink Floyd, Genesis, ELP, Yes...are in the business music
and make big money! You can easily find their stuffs everywhere!!
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I don't know what the situation is like in other countries, but at
least in South Africa I wouldn't say that you can "easily find their
stuff everywhere". While it's true that it's easier to find CDs
by the bigger prog bands (eg Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis) than other prog
bands, it's not necessarily that easy, and it's by no means as easy as
finding CDs by the latest boy band.
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Borealis
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 17:42 |
I believe that people who are listening only to heavy pop (britney spears, hip-hop...) are manipulated by the comercial music industry, and they wouldn't listen to anything if it wasn't of the MTV things and the radio.
I'll says it again: Real music is art, so not everyone can understand and appreciate it. In fact, there shouldn't really have popular music; prog, pop, classical, or any other. Not everyone got the same tastes, and not everyone should.
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Vive le Québec libre!...
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 17:46 |
abyssyinfinity wrote:
The problem about prog is not popular... IMO is not a right question, prog is for definition not popular, or maybe will be popular in 2112 A.D.... |
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Tony R
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 17:50 |
flowerchild wrote:
abyssyinfinity wrote:
The problem about prog is not popular... IMO is not a right question, prog is for definition not popular, or maybe will be popular in 2112 A.D.... |
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why is there always an air of "dont step on my toes" about all your replies Lostrom? And why do the admin group allow you to remain......
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Vieux Prog
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 18:49 |
Some random thoughts for this (very long & sometimes tumultuous)
thread...
As much as I love prog (& more complex music --- prog has not the
monopoly on complexity, nor all "prog" rock is "complex"), I find it quite
pretentious to say it is for "more intelligent" people. There may be MANY
reasons for someone not "getting" prog (or classical, or hard bop, or
whatever), or not being aware of prog, and they have nothing to do with
their IQ.
Besides, even though I don't consider myself a complete idiot I may
sometimes enjoy listening to "simpler" music. Heck, I have enjoyed as
much "I just can't get enough" by Depeche Mode (did you say simple?) as
Gentle Giant.
Live & let live: if someone likes, say, rap (I don't), that's their right. But
don't think you "better" than them.
And, let us face it, Britney is MUCH better to look at than Jon Anderson
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 20:11 |
Beastie Boys is a GREAT band. If you judge 'em by what they're labelled as, you might get surprised!
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And above all, is punk
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 20:12 |
The Beastie Boys are FANTASTIC!
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 23:55 |
Fantômas wrote:
Beastie Boys is a GREAT band. If you judge 'em by what they're labelled as, you might get surprised! |
fantomas you are quite atypical in your taste (for a prog-rock site)
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kirklott
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 00:35 |
Most people like things that are pretty simple. Look at sitcoms.
I think prog is too complex and challenging for most people
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"Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin
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Perlucere
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 01:32 |
Someone earlier posted that they don't think prog or jazz will have
much of an impact on the music of tomorrow. I don't think this is
quite true, myself. Time and again I've been listening to more
mainstream music and heard remnants of blues or jazz grooves. As far
as I'm concerned, music is all one great, big organism, and the bits
are each influenced by one another. Today's classical-style music
bears the fingerprints of rock and heavy metal, and even bits of
country. Pop music steals from jazz and classical and just about every
other genre ever. Part of the reason I'm so fond of prog music is
because that's where the connections really start to show through. You
hear the symphonic instrumentation accompanying heavy guitars and
keyboards. World music comes knocking on the door to say hello.
As for prog not being as popular as more mainstream music, I think this
is simply because tastes differ. Some people just don't like Ayreon or
Dream Theater, and often will not try to dig into a genre after one or
two bad experiences. In a genre where re-listening is key to truly
appreciating the depth of the music, that can be fatal. It isn't that
prog listeners are any smarter than your average Brittney or Jay-Z fan,
it's just that prog listeners like prog. Personally, the argument that
we are smarter because we are more "cultured" or more "open minded" is
like vegetarians thinking that all meat-eaters are barbaric twits (and
yes, I'm vegetarian, so please don't attack me). We're not better or
worse than the next group of music fans, just different.
That said, the McDonald's analogy made me giggle uncontrollably.
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Losendos
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 01:48 |
'm vegetarian also. I wonder if there are many here. Supposedly all of Yes were except Rick Wakeman
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How wonderful to be so profound
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nousommedusolei
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 02:28 |
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I don't believe in demons
I don't believe in devils
I only believe in you
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philippe
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 03:50 |
Citanul wrote:
philippe wrote:
A minority of prog rock bands are already very very popular and sell as many albums as the kings of commercial music: I mean GONG, Pink Floyd, Genesis, ELP, Yes...are in the business music and make big money! You can easily find their stuffs everywhere!! |
I don't know what the situation is like in other countries, but at least in South Africa I wouldn't say that you can "easily find their stuff everywhere". While it's true that it's easier to find CDs by the bigger prog bands (eg Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis) than other prog bands, it's not necessarily that easy, and it's by no means as easy as finding CDs by the latest boy band.
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well, in fact it depends where you come from..in France prog music is very popular. Teenagers love Dream Theater, Opeth...Pink Floyd, Gong, King Crimson also are in the top list...fusion jazz also benefit of a strong interest, notably with the Mahavishnu Orchestra. Only krautrock, prog folk and Italian prog are neglected
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barbs
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 06:28 |
As far as availability is concerned - where there is a market there
will be sellers. Of course we can now use the internet. Thats the only
way I can acquire most of the stuff I am trying to get.
As far as intelligence is concerned. According to Howard Gardner there
are at least eight recognised identifiable types of intelligence
including bodily/kinaesthetic, logical/mathematical, linguistic,
interpersonal and intrapersonal (maybe some of us can work on some of
these) spatial, environmental and musical. And supposing that prog is
the epitomy of musical intelligence anyway just because you dont have
the last one, doesn't make you any less intelligent than anyone else.
6 billion people on this earth and we are all different but who would want us all to be the same anyway.
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Eternity
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Biggles
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 16:34 |
Complex music will come back anyway. There's a cycle to it. It starts off simple, then people get tired of doing the 12 bar blues and yammering out the same old cliched lyrics, and they start to experiment and music becomes more complex. Then it becomes even more complex. Finally, when albums like "Tales from Topographic Oceans" reach number one, you know that complex music is not long for mainstream. Then it gets simple again, then complex, and so on. It's all part of rebelling to what's standard and what's accepted; when simple is the norm, people will steadily gravitate towards complex, and vice versa. I'm a 16-year-old and I listen to progressive music. Throw me into the late 70s and I would probably be ranting about those pretentious toffs who think they're hot shots cause they can play in 15/8.
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The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.
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freakmeeko
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 16:36 |
Biggles wrote:
Complex music will come back anyway. There's a cycle to
it. It starts off simple, then people get tired of doing the 12 bar
blues and yammering out the same old cliched lyrics, and they start to
experiment and music becomes more complex. Then it becomes even more
complex. Finally, when albums like "Tales from Topographic Oceans"
reach number one, you know that complex music is not long for
mainstream. Then it gets simple again, then complex, and so on.
It's all part of rebelling to what's standard and what's accepted;
when simple is the norm, people will steadily gravitate towards
complex, and vice versa. I'm a 16-year-old and I listen to
progressive music. Throw me into the late 70s and I would probably be
ranting about those pretentious toffs who think they're hot shots cause
they can play in 15/8. |
Seems logical, captain.
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Keyboardist-bassist.
Rick Wakeman>Emerson (Though they both kick it)
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Biggles
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 16:37 |
To answer this topic's question, I think we're due for a revival of complex music pretty soon. Already bands like Dream Theater and The Mars Volta, and of course the oldies like Pink Floyd, have pretty big followings from the younger crowd.
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The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.
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MANTICORE
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 18:01 |
PROG ROCK = MUSIC ONLY FOR ACQUIRED TASTES
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The Beatles
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