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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2011 at 21:22
you're right. i wont. but no doubt i'll have my disagreement specifically written !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2011 at 21:41
I didn't like Peter Gabriel's voice at first.  It seemed really weird to me.  Now, he is favorite singer.  I always get goosebumps when he screams Jerusalem in the live rendition of Supper's Ready. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2011 at 22:16
I got into Genesis fairly recently.  The first Gabriel-era record I heard was SEBTP, followed by "The Lamb" and "Trespass."  I got really hooked on "Foxtrot," and haven't looked back.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2011 at 02:11
Originally posted by Earthsmoke Earthsmoke wrote:


More than anything, I can't stand Gabriel's vocals.  The vocals and the lyrics often seem very silly to me.  
 
That much I can agree with. I've never liked Gabriel's vocals or the stupid accents he does or his lyrics. That said I love a lot of the music on the PG period albums with the exception of Lamb which I think is the worst Genesis album ever made. I also agree partially on Selling England, I find the more I've listened to it over the decades the less and less I like it.  I really dislike all of Gabriel's vocal antics on it, and his cringe-making delivery on many songs. 
 
I much prefer Phil's vocals and vocal delivery. My fav half-dozen Genesis albums  are:
 
1. A Trick of the Tail
2. Wind & Wuthering
3. Nursery Cryme
4. Duke
5. Foxtrot
6. Genesis
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2011 at 10:22
Originally posted by juandhaltrich juandhaltrich wrote:

i dont like his opinion.. i dont agree with his opinion. and he's not wrong.  the main point of my argument was that, either if he CANT appreciate this music ('cause he doesnt GET IT), or if he just has a very different taste in music, in either case i dont understand WHAT he's doing writing in this forum, spending time in this website. 'cause it's clearly that he doesnt like this, whatever the reason might be.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2011 at 18:19
Foxtrot, and I will NEVER forget it.  (Foxtrot was the first I listened to; I might have heard my brother's 8-track of Genesis Live before.) 

It had to be the seventies because I know I was in grade school.  I had made a new friend in my neighborhood, and his father had am immense record collection.  I was already into a music I didn't know was called prog; I listened to Yes, ELP and Tull all day, Led Zeppelin too.  I can't remember what prompted it but one day my friend pulled out this lovely painted-cover album called Foxtrot.  "Watcher" began the mind blowing, continued with each of the following tracks.  I think I remember us talking excitedly about this and that.  But when we flipped the album over and sat through the gentle "Horizons" and heard the opening strains and following sequences of, shall we say, the next track, we just about lost our little minds.  Two friends having a seriously profound listening experience (he wasn't even a prog-and-classic-rock-head like me, he was more eclectic), young and sincere, no substances in sight, just love of records.

Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2011 at 04:27
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2011 at 09:36
Originally posted by juandhaltrich juandhaltrich wrote:

i dont like his opinion.. i dont agree with his opinion. and he's not wrong.  the main point of my argument was that, either if he CANT appreciate this music ('cause he doesnt GET IT), or if he just has a very different taste in music, in either case i dont understand WHAT he's doing writing in this forum, spending time in this website. 'cause it's clearly that he doesnt like this, whatever the reason might be.

Get this, pal, I f**king HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE

HATE HATE HATE Early Genesis, later Genesis, most Genesis in general, and especially Nursery Cryme, Wind and Wuthering, Trespass, And Then There Were Three, and a Trick of the Tale. I hate all these records with an immense passion.

I love Selling England by the Pound. It was the very first Genesis album I heard, and it set me up for an unfathomable disappointment. Hell, I'd take Steve Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte or Peter Gabriel's Untitled III "Melt" (or Phil Collins' No Jacket Required, a-hyuck) over any standard Genesis album. Comparing Foxtrot to Selling England sickens me. I'm bored to tears by nearly every album they released (I liked Lamb somewhat). I never listen to them, and I f**king detest Tony Banks' synthwork.

And ya know what? I'm even harsher toward Yes. They only have a couple albums I like (Close to the Edge, Fragile), and everything else either bores me to tears or goes on forever. And Emerson, Lake, and Palmer? God, they might be one of my least favorite 'classic' prog acts (just a little bit above Rush).

But Selling England by the Pound? Yeah, I dig that one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2011 at 11:23
^ Yuck, a "critic" is born.  Is that you Jesus?

Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2011 at 13:55
Why yes it is. I'm not trying to critique anything, just show some hatred. Is every human supposed to adore Fotrot like some messianic masterwork?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2011 at 14:06
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Why yes it is. I'm not trying to critique anything, just show some hatred. Is every human supposed to adore Fotrot like some messianic masterwork?

No, only those with a deep appreciation of great music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2011 at 14:22
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Why yes it is. I'm not trying to critique anything, just show some hatred. Is every human supposed to adore Fotrot like some messianic masterwork?

No, only those with a deep appreciation of great music.

What makes Foxtrot scientifically, intrinsically, and universally brilliant? You got any qualifying proof of that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2011 at 14:24
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Why yes it is. I'm not trying to critique anything, just show some hatred. Is every human supposed to adore Fotrot like some messianic masterwork?

No, only those with a deep appreciation of great music.

What makes Foxtrot scientifically, intrinsically, and universally brilliant? You got any qualifying proof of that?

Don't know about the scientifically bit - sorry. I think it's brilliant because it has got a collection of superb pieces of music which I have adored for over 30 years now. That'll do for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2011 at 18:09
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Why yes it is. I'm not trying to critique anything, just show some hatred. Is every human supposed to adore Fotrot like some messianic masterwork?

No, only those with a deep appreciation of great music.

What makes Foxtrot scientifically, intrinsically, and universally brilliant? You got any qualifying proof of that?


Because it wasn't been done "scientifically: with the support of a market research, marketing managers, and what else is necessary in order to create a marketing move.

Because is a work of art produced by the alchemy of some brilliant human mind, or rather artist; instead of a product from someone with a building of "expert at  his back, ready to tell what's better to do or to say.

And last but not least because is simply a brilliant, deep and sensitive work, but I don't aspect that all the minds are able to understand this last pointt... by the way, this is among the reasons why I joined this site....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2011 at 18:28
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Why yes it is. I'm not trying to critique anything, just show some hatred. Is every human supposed to adore Fotrot like some messianic masterwork?


Man.  Are you a huge fan of Robert Christgau or something?

http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=genesis
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2011 at 18:38
Alitare seems helpless, and without a leg to stand on.  You got any proof that you exist?

Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2011 at 00:43
Originally posted by Barking Weasel Barking Weasel wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Why yes it is. I'm not trying to critique anything, just show some hatred. Is every human supposed to adore Fotrot like some messianic masterwork?


Man.  Are you a huge fan of Robert Christgau or something?

http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=genesis

I can't stand Robert Christgau. I prefer Mark Prindle.

What to you would be proof of my existence? I'm not saying Foxtrot is bad, or that you're wrong for loving it. Are my emotions deficient that they aren't positively swayed by the album?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2011 at 06:22
^ Why can't you stand Christgau?  After all, he's just trying to show some hatred like you.  (Seriously, what the hell do you mean coming in here "not trying to critique anything, just show some hatred"?  It doesn't sound at all intelligent, but maybe I'm missing something.)

You still haven't proven you exist.  The proof would consist of something that does not work just for me ("What to you would be proof of my existence?)", but for any observer. 

Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2011 at 08:13
Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

^ Why can't you stand Christgau?  After all, he's just trying to show some hatred like you.  (Seriously, what the hell do you mean coming in here "not trying to critique anything, just show some hatred"?  It doesn't sound at all intelligent, but maybe I'm missing something.)

You still haven't proven you exist.  The proof would consist of something that does not work just for me ("What to you would be proof of my existence?)", but for any observer. 

You do know that I only came in here with that to enrage the one individual who basically attacked the other guy for not liking Foxtrot, right? That was the sole purpose for this engagement. I don't /hate/ Foxtrot. I'm more just slightly bored by it.  You can assume I'm an idiot for that if you want to judge a man's intellect by his musical taste. I suppose if Steven Hawking likes Lady Gaga he must be a cretinous slouch with no vision.

Like with God, the sun, yourself, and Mars, I don't need to prove my existence. If God exists, believing or not believing in him doesn't change that fact. If I exist, it doesn't make a difference whether or not you believe in me, it offers no direct alteration to the physical matter that constitutes the being of 'me'. 

People are so f**king touchy that it's rather pitiful to me. Damn, aren't you perceptive enough to know a troll when you see one? You seem to think so highly of your mental capacity, what's become of that? "Oh, he hates my favorite album, he must be an unlearned heathen - some imbecilic oaf with no perception, no taste, no deeply-felt inner thought, no culture, no artistic love, and most certainly no comprehension. He traverses this land as an unenlightened, deviant reprobate. I sure am superior to his monkey ass, a-hyuck."

My favorite part is how everyone says I must not "get" the album, as if it contains some vast universal supersecret and I'm missing out on the meaning of life. If it ain't the most pretentious slice of c**ksuckery I ever did gaze upon. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2011 at 08:27
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

^ Why can't you stand Christgau?  After all, he's just trying to show some hatred like you.  (Seriously, what the hell do you mean coming in here "not trying to critique anything, just show some hatred"?  It doesn't sound at all intelligent, but maybe I'm missing something.)

You still haven't proven you exist.  The proof would consist of something that does not work just for me ("What to you would be proof of my existence?)", but for any observer. 

You do know that I only came in here with that to enrage the one individual who basically attacked the other guy for not liking Foxtrot, right? That was the sole purpose for this engagement. I don't /hate/ Foxtrot. I'm more just slightly bored by it.  You can assume I'm an idiot for that if you want to judge a man's intellect by his musical taste. I suppose if Steven Hawking likes Lady Gaga he must be a cretinous slouch with no vision.

Like with God, the sun, yourself, and Mars, I don't need to prove my existence. If God exists, believing or not believing in him doesn't change that fact. If I exist, it doesn't make a difference whether or not you believe in me, it offers no direct alteration to the physical matter that constitutes the being of 'me'. 

People are so f**king touchy that it's rather pitiful to me. Damn, aren't you perceptive enough to know a troll when you see one? You seem to think so highly of your mental capacity, what's become of that? "Oh, he hates my favorite album, he must be an unlearned heathen - some imbecilic oaf with no perception, no taste, no deeply-felt inner thought, no culture, no artistic love, and most certainly no comprehension. He traverses this land as an unenlightened, deviant reprobate. I sure am superior to his monkey ass, a-hyuck."

My favorite part is how everyone says I must not "get" the album, as if it contains some vast universal supersecret and I'm missing out on the meaning of life. If it ain't the most pretentious slice of c**ksuckery I ever did gaze upon. 

Aren't you perceptive enough to know when you're being drawn out?

Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?

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