The Christian Thread

^ I agree man. And although IMO there are a lot of good points in that kind of music, lots of musicians base their beleifs solely on the music they listen to. I think that's a bit sheep like, and they should at least try and learn about beleifs and whatnot.

Raff wrote: p0mt3 wrote: topofsm wrote: p0mt3 wrote: Damnit, I missed this! That's what happens when you get too busyt to frequent the same sites all the time. Anyway . . . I recently aquired an Apologetics Bible, which has really begun to open up my eyes to plenty of things I didn't even know existed before. I find it very inspiring and insightful.   Nice to see you in this thread Micah. As another uber-hardcore Tool and metal fan I assumed you might be one of those guys that talks about Christians as mindless sheep or something.   I really don't have much to contribute to this thread though, but I am going to a Presbyterian week long camp in a couple week so I might share some insight after that. Haha, nah, man. I love Tool and Metal in general, but my faith is with God; more specifically, the Christian God. And yes, many Christians ARE mindless sheep, but so are a lot of other people, and God has nothing to do with that; it's general stupidity and the inability to make your own choices that cause people to follow blindly, not a belief in a supreme being. That's what I always try to tell people who are so quick to write off all Christians as ignorant or insane. I mean, isn't it just as blind and mindless to assume Christianity is ''bullsh*t'' based on others' opinions without doing the research yourself?  I applaud you, Micah. Though I've been an agnostic for decades, I respect everyone's right to have a spiritual life, and dislike those who call them 'mindless sheep'. You can be a mindless sheep even if you are an atheist - I don't think that Hitler's or  Stalin's followers were exactly open-minded in this respect. Heck, there are people whose life is based on avidly reading the latest antics of some celebrity or the other (the so-called 'cult of personality').. Being unable to make your own choices is not a prerogative of religious people, and I vehemently disagree with those who maintain that eliminating religion would solve a lot of the world's problems. Such people are probably unfamiliar with human nature...

Thank you. I agree. In fact, I myself have taken a more Agnostic viewpoint on life just as much as I have a Christian one. I dunno, I just think it pays to keep an open mind on things, especially when the 'meaning of life' is concerned. There's a bit of truth in everything, if you ask me, and disregarding others' beliefs isn't getting us any closer to it. That goes for both sides.

Okay, I'm off my soapbox now.

Edited by p0mt3 - June 01 2009 at 00:36

weetabix wrote: I am not much of a political person but one matter has always puzzled me. I have seen some news about an abortion doctor,Dr.Tiller, being murdered by a white christian American male. You seem to be the terrorists,................. so try to worm an excuse. I think I can draw your excuse 4 u " not all christians are like that". Go.................

Um.

Not all Christians are like that.




Edited by Epignosis - June 01 2009 at 21:45

People never should not take criminal justice in their own hands, that belongs to the authorities, but George Massmurderer Tiller actually quite deserved what he got. He is now probably there where he belongs.  Probably if Tiller was convicted by a jury he would not be murdered... But he was found "not guilty". Washed clean in other words.
The problem is that the pro-murder groups including the false prophet  in the White House will use this murder as a tool to supress everyone who want to stop the abortion epidemic.

There are so nice "Christian"  organizations, Catholics for a Choice, for instance...
This shows a big erosion in the Christian tradition.
But there are other ones, too, like the demagogic levelling down of the Catholic lithurgy from the late '60s.

Easy Money wrote: ^ eye for an eye, ay.

Easy Money wrote: I think it is more than obvious that Christ was the exact opposite of eye for en eye type thinking, or actions.

Epignosis wrote: I feel I should point out something about the Ancient Hebrew law (which I studied intently for quite some time) with regards to "Eye for an eye..." In many Ancient Near Eastern societies, a small slight could cost you your life (this still happens today).  The "eye for an eye" rule was not a means of satisfying the person wronged, but was a means of protection for the guilty party. Couple that with what Christ said about "If thine own eye offend thee, pluck it out..." Hmm...

Epignosis wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: Epignosis wrote: I feel I should point out something about the Ancient Hebrew law (which I studied intently for quite some time) with regards to "Eye for an eye..." In many Ancient Near Eastern societies, a small slight could cost you your life (this still happens today).  The "eye for an eye" rule was not a means of satisfying the person wronged, but was a means of protection for the guilty party. Couple that with what Christ said about "If thine own eye offend thee, pluck it out..." Hmm... The eye has become a metaphor. That could result in a liberal translation for those who would choose the eye be something of their discontent.  What Christ was saying (which meshes perfectly with his charge: "Be ye perfect as my father in Heaven is perfect") was effectively this: Whatever brings you into sin and evil, get rid of it.  It isn't worth it.

Epignosis wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: Epignosis wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: Epignosis wrote: I feel I should point out something about the Ancient Hebrew law (which I studied intently for quite some time) with regards to "Eye for an eye..." In many Ancient Near Eastern societies, a small slight could cost you your life (this still happens today).  The "eye for an eye" rule was not a means of satisfying the person wronged, but was a means of protection for the guilty party. Couple that with what Christ said about "If thine own eye offend thee, pluck it out..." Hmm... The eye has become a metaphor. That could result in a liberal translation for those who would choose the eye be something of their discontent.  What Christ was saying (which meshes perfectly with his charge: "Be ye perfect as my father in Heaven is perfect") was effectively this: Whatever brings you into sin and evil, get rid of it.  It isn't worth it. Was his father married? Being like the father should imply everything. Perhaps you'd prefer a more apt translation: "Be holy as my father in Heaven is holy."

Let me correct that statement. "One's" mind. The normal mind would immediately turn to lust in the presence of the correct person. It's completely natural. Just saying.