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    Posted: October 23 2011 at 21:04
Equal rated albums w/ non-equal nos. of ratings

Just an idea I had for a not so serious series of very popular albums vs. favourite albums of mine in PA which have the same rating. 

In this poll, people can vote in all conscience without having heard both albums. 

Since the better-known album (one with more ratings) in such a poll would have such a huge advantage, I am turning the tables by calculating the winner by using the number of votes for an album in the poll divided by the number of ratings and the one with the 'highest" number accrding to that equation will win. 

In this case, both have many ratings, but Nursery Cryme has many more.  So, for instance, if Crossings gets ten votes, I will divide that by 93 to get 0.107526881.  If Nursery Cryme got 10 votes I would divide it by 1127 to get 0.008873114.  If they got the same number of votes, then Crossings would win. In fact, to win, Nursery Cryme will need about 12 times as many votes to win, which may happen as the Genesis album is much better known at PA.

4.42 | 93 ratings Crossings
1972

 4.42 | 1127 ratings Nursery Cryme
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EDIT: Renamed title to include album names.

Edited by Logan - October 24 2011 at 02:32
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Crossings is one of the best fusion albums, so that's where my vote goes.
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Points: 37232 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2011 at 22:07
^ Agreed.  Tied for now in the votes, by the way, so Nursery Cryme has a lot of catching up to do.

I think my next one may be Hellebore's Il y a des Jours vs. Yes' Going for the One, incidentally.
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Points: 18016 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2011 at 23:02
Nursery Cryme isn't even good by Genesis standards, IMO.  I can't tolerate to listen to it.  
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Points: 3595 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2011 at 23:09
^I can't even tolerate Foxtrot most days. All I care for is SEBTP and half of Lamb. 
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I have not heard crossings :( but i plan to sometimes, Seven Stones on Nurcery Cryme is one of my favourite songs of all time and i find it to be a exelent album probably my 6th on the list after 1) the Lamb, 2) And Then There... 3) Foxtrott, 4) Wind and Wuthering and Selling England and Nercury Cryme is tied.
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HH for me, a giant of an album
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Points: 28772 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2011 at 23:33
Crossings fits my tastes in music much better than Nursery Cryme (though it's not a bad album either, I rarely listen).
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Points: 4160 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2011 at 23:37
Hm I think part of the reason why the rating for NC is so high is some fanboyism, as the album to me at least has some major flaws, though it'snot a bad album. Crossings has a fair a million billion ratings less. So maybe "Crossing"'s ratings are more because it is a more quality albums and less because of thousands of Genesis fans who'd listen to anything they make.
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Nursery Cryme. From Trespass to Lamb they made fine albums, even few masterpieces. 
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I like Crossings and see it as an intelligent work of art, but I must admit I can find more value and replay in Nursery Cryme.
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In a way, I'm interested in seeing Crossings with 1127 ratings and seeing how different it's rating is.
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Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

Hm I think part of the reason why the rating for NC is so high is some fanboyism, as the album to me at least has some major flaws, though it'snot a bad album. Crossings has a fair a million billion ratings less. So maybe "Crossing"'s ratings are more because it is a more quality albums and less because of thousands of Genesis fans who'd listen to anything they make.


I don't know. I really love Nursery Cryme and don't think there's any major flaws on it. To me its kind of perfect although I don't really listen to as often as I once did. I'm listening to it right now thanks to this poll, and I'd still give it a 4.50-5 rating. I guess like me many feel the "magic" it contains (the prog "magic" punks and hipsters love to hate, I guess). Although I love a lot of their music from the Gabriel-era albums wouldn't consider giving any other Genesis album a fivestar, so I can't be a fanboy.

I do however still spin Crossings quite regularly. I never grow tired of it and it would probably be on my list of ten desert island albums.

Edited by Saperlipopette! - October 24 2011 at 04:12
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I just never got on with Crossings and given it's overwhelming popularity, I must be missing out on something pretty damn wonderful (guess it's my loss but I might be coaxed into giving it one last chance)
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Points: 65606 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2011 at 04:29
Two albums of almost opposite polar value, both an apex of from where they came (Jazz and Rock n' Roll), and both provided incredibly new and challenging directions.  It's no wonder their equally rated.  An irresistible force meets an immovable object. 

That said, my vote goes to Crossings.
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Points: 546 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2011 at 04:34
I love both albums, but since I can safely say that the Musical Box is the best song ever written (in my opinion). I can't do anything else than vote for Nursery Cryme.
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Points: 12422 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2011 at 05:12
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I just never got on with Crossings and given it's overwhelming popularity, I must be missing out on something pretty damn wonderful (guess it's my loss but I might be coaxed into giving it one last chance)

Considering the kind of music it is, I'm pleasantly surprised of its popularity here. Crossings is nowhere near being a favorite or concidered his best anywhere outside of PA. But they are all wrong, and I'm sure has the potential to eventually open up to anyone (including you) slightly interested in this era of jazz. Its to magnificent not to.

I know I've listened to plenty of great music without noticing the first time around, tried it again years later and loved it.
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Points: 268 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2011 at 05:35
I don't like Crossings, i don't like HH and so...
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Points: 10616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2011 at 08:58
About Nursery Cryme: I don't think there are any musical weak spots on the album. Not only the epics are impressive, but also the short songs like For Absent Friends and Seven Stones are quite good.
I never listened to Crossings, though, so I won't vote.
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