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Topic: Is Radiohead prog? Posted: May 09 2004 at 21:41 |
How 'bout it ? Radiohead - prog or not prog?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 09 2004 at 23:51 |
Prog' is not the exact term, I believe it's an overrated band.
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Posted: May 10 2004 at 02:31 |
'Paranoid Android' is about as prog as you get but Radiohead don't really fit the 'prog' label musically most of the time although they are experimental in approach.I think of them as being a modern day Pink Floyd so given that PF are often regarded as Prog then the answer to the question must be YES!
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Posted: May 10 2004 at 03:18 |
Radiohead have certainly written music that IS prog - all of OK Computer (not just Paranoid Android), and some of The Bends and the Iron Lung EP), but find it difficult to consider them a prog band.
Before OK Computer they were essentially a "progressive Indie rock band" that wrote some stunning hit singles (Creep, Street Spirit, Iron Lung, High and Dry, Just), but they then went through a deeply experimental period. I think they realised that this was such a strong album that they had to completely smash apart everything they wrote or fall into the trap of writing "more of the same". Kid A and Amnesiac are albums I am still struggling to "get", as there would seem, on the surface, to be little musical craftsmanship in the same way as OK Computer. Hail to the Thief is a welcome return to the form of Pablo Honey - ie prog indie.
OK Computer is only overrated in the same way that Dark Side of the Moon or Abbey Road are overrated, IMO
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Posted: May 10 2004 at 05:30 |
I don't think they're prog, but they ARE very experimental. Let's call them a VERY GOOD pop/rock band. But if you'd say that they ARE prog, I think I can live with that!
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Posted: May 10 2004 at 07:31 |
They are I think In the same corner as Pink Floyd and Porcupine Tree.
Strange, PT should be at least as big as Radiohead. PT is much better and more accesible as well, yet Radiohead has commercial succes.
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Posted: May 10 2004 at 07:56 |
I'm not sure if PT want commercial succes...
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Posted: May 10 2004 at 12:31 |
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Posted: May 10 2004 at 15:31 |
Shure has a lot of elements of what is consider "prog", other bands have had similar beginigs... from "hard rock" (Rush)"jazz", (Soft Works) or "alternative" ...Radiohead... any way the are a great band...........
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Posted: May 10 2004 at 16:25 |
I like Radiohead. Until someone said they were prog, I never really saw them in that light. Still don't... I thought we covered this earlier, Fringe-Prog. Good Band- Fringe Prog.
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Posted: May 10 2004 at 16:28 |
er, no
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necromancing
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Posted: May 11 2004 at 01:54 |
The articles that I've read, make it seem that the band is shy about fielding the whole "prog" rock question. I have a magazine where the interviewer asked Jonny Greenwood if he was familiar with the Peter Gabriel-era Genesis, and he mentioned he was to some extent, but that the band doesn't reference classic prog music directly. However, there seems no doubt that some of the band's music is heavily influenced by Brian Eno. Also, Thom Yorke has said that Miles Davis "Bitches Brew" influenced the choatic horn part at the end of "The National Anthem".
"OK Computer" is very prog in nature - "Exit Music (For A Film)", "Paranoid Andriod", "Subterranean Homesick Alien", "Climbing Up the Walls", etc. IMO, Radiohead are VERY experimental, but they don't play "shredder" guitar or 10+ minute songs. So I don't know if that qualifies as prog in the classis sense. Though they do use Moogs and Mellotrons with creepy sound effects, which to me is prog enough. Like someone already said, "OK Computer" is the 90's "Dark Side of the Moon" in a sense.
"Cuttooth" (Kid A/Amnesiac B Side) is very Krautrock and reminds me of the 70's German band Neu! (David Bowie fans will be familair with this influence on the Berlin Trilogy (Low/Heroes/Lodger). And if you listen to "2+2+5" or "Everything In It's Right Place", it sounds prog to me. If "prog-rock" means "progressive rock music", than I think by today's standards, Radiohead should at least be considered on the boderline of "prog" and "alternative".
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Posted: May 11 2004 at 02:04 |
The boundaries of "prog" are amorphous, semi-permeable, and subjective.
This type of question has no real answer, but could be voted upon....
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Posted: May 11 2004 at 11:21 |
A prog fan couldn't resist the "progressive rock death" idea. So, any prog fan tries to keep alive the beloved genre, trying to hear "progressive" any kind of music a little bit different from the FM radio hits. Radiohead is a good alternative band, or we must consider Coldplay, Anathema, Oasis, etc etc as prog bands too?
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Posted: May 11 2004 at 11:54 |
I can certainly see why prog fans appreciate RH, but Marcelo has a good point. Anyway, if RH are Prog, then Kula Shaker can definitly lay claim to a place in the archive. Their sound is much closer to what I call prog!
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Posted: May 11 2004 at 13:26 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
The boundaries of "prog" are amorphous, semi-permeable, and subjective.
This type of question has no real answer, but could be voted upon....
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Yes, maybe we should make a poll?
EDIT: oops, there is one!
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Posted: May 11 2004 at 14:02 |
Marcelo wrote:
A prog fan couldn't resist the "progressive rock death" idea. So, any prog fan tries to keep alive the beloved genre, trying to hear "progressive" any kind of music a little bit different from the FM radio hits. Radiohead is a good alternative band, or we must consider Coldplay, Anathema, Oasis, etc etc as prog bands too?
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There is not much that I can hear that is progressive about Oasis or Coldplay - Coldplay, particularly, adhere to a fairly rigid formula, although the formula itself has developed since Parachutes. Oasis are little better, progressively speaking (although I like their music). I haven't heard Anathema so can't comment.
I believe Radiohead are different because they deliberately try to push the boundaries and know that they abhor formula. This is apparent in most of their material, even the singles. There's not many "cookie-cutter" chord sequences here, although the earlier material did stick to the ABABCAB form on the whole.
OK Computer is a different ball game - it's in a class of its own, IMO.
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Posted: May 11 2004 at 14:53 |
Another point (very subjective this time) is the fact that I would love to see my favorite bands on TV... but I can't imagine VDGG (i.e.) beside a Britney Spears clip, even in case of success. Thinking about characteristics of progressive music, surely, comes to my mind the non-commercial but artistic intentions. So, when I see Radiohead in MTV, I'm glad because their music isn't so bad like most of the "TV bands", but prog? No way!
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Posted: May 11 2004 at 15:39 |
Ah - that explains it - if you've only seen the videos on MTV, then you've only seen the "commercial" side of Radiohead - although "Paranoid Android" does get some airing, and I've even seen the video for "No Surprises" and "Karma Police" a few times.
Both the latter are deceptive in their simplicity and commercial appeal - especially "Karma Police", which has that wonderful "For a minute there I lost myself" section at the end. The lyrics to "Karma Police" are very different to the norm as well, as they paint very vivid pictures. The videos make absolutely no attempt to bring the words to life in Radiohead's typically obtuse fashion. The rest of the OK Computer album is worth exploring no matter what your tastes.
On a final note; Other prog bands have made singles - and videos (Marillion, Genesis, Pink Floyd, etc.), but that does not stop them being prog. I think that Marillion lay claim to being the only prog band ever to get a true prog song (Garden Party) into the charts. But that's another debate
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Posted: May 11 2004 at 18:04 |
Thats an interesting question ... i dont know if i would call Radiohead
prog ... because i personally think they're more of an indie band. But
bearing this in mind O.K. Computer is a very experimental album
(considering they're an indie band) and a good album too. I wouldn't
personally classify them as Prog myself.
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