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    Posted: July 05 2010 at 03:58
In my opinion, genuine cradle of Prog Rock is "Proud Albion". Bands like King Crimson, Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator, Nice, Gentle Giant, Hawkwind and many others had formed in late 60īs foundation and basic structure of a style named Progressive (or Prog) Rock.
 
And what about USA? I mean American bands are always behind. They are certainly stronger for example in Prog Metal, but strictly weaker, if we talk about classical subgenres like Symphonic or Psychedelic Prog...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 04:02
I do believe the USA have been markedley far more creative than the UK in recent times. If we are talking mainstream of course and what your intellect defines as progressive/
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 07:38
But it may be argued prog rock was build on the foundation of American underground music, including psychedelia (and much of UK psychedelia was comparatively wishy washy). For instance, Vanilla Fudge, then Touch had their moments and we haven't gone beyond early 1969.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 08:14
The top 100 chart uses an algorithm that relies on number of ratings as well as the ratings themselves.  Most of the US albums simply don't have enough ratings and reviews to even come close to being in the top 10.  One could therefore argue that bands like Kansas or Echolyn are "more overlooked."  Leftoverture has the same rating as The Yes Album (4.22), but The Yes Album has over twice the ratings as Leftoverture.

Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

In my opinion, genuine cradle of Prog Rock is "Proud Albion". Bands like King Crimson, Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator, Nice, Gentle Giant, Hawkwind and many others had formed in late 60īs foundation and basic structure of a style named Progressive (or Prog) Rock.
 
And what about USA? I mean American bands are always behind. They are certainly stronger for example in Prog Metal, but strictly weaker, if we talk about classical subgenres like Symphonic or Psychedelic Prog...


What do you mean by "always behind?"  How do you quantify that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 08:32
Hard to chose between :
 
USA
 
 
and
 
UK
 
 
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 09:39
UK?

I think if I ran the numbers on my collection UK artists would come out on top.




Edited by Slartibartfast - July 05 2010 at 09:42
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 09:46
vs

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 10:23
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/17/America_album.jpg
 
The best of both worlds! WinkClap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 10:24
To Dick Heath:
OK, maybe the foundation on Prog Rock is American, but main formers of Prog are from Great Britain.
 
To Epignosis:
OK, Iīll correct my opinion "I mean American bands are always behind."  to "sometimes behind".
I have thought just about that:
 
Byrds - American answer to Beatles,
Astra -     -"-               -"-       to Pink Floyd,
Tool -      -"-               -"-       to Porcupine Tree,
Yezda Urfa -   -"-       -"-       to Gentle Giant,
Starcastle -  -"-         -"-       to Yes,
Blue Oyster Cult -     -"-      to Black Sabbath,  etc.
 
Of course, somebody can tell that sometimes American bands were the first , but I mean itīs only exemption.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 10:39
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

To Dick Heath:
OK, maybe the foundation on Prog Rock is American, but main formers of Prog are from Great Britain.
 
To Epignosis:
OK, Iīll correct my opinion "I mean American bands are always behind."  to "sometimes behind".
I have thought just about that:
 
Byrds - American answer to Beatles,
Astra -     -"-               -"-       to Pink Floyd,
Tool -      -"-               -"-       to Porcupine Tree,
Yezda Urfa -   -"-       -"-       to Gentle Giant,
Starcastle -  -"-         -"-       to Yes,
Blue Oyster Cult -     -"-      to Black Sabbath,  etc.
 
Of course, somebody can tell that sometimes American bands were the first , but I mean itīs only exemption.


Lots of bands were heavily influenced by The Beatles (including Yes).  Astra, to me, doesn't sound like Pink Floyd at all.  Tool is the American answer to Porcupine Tree?  What?  Have you heard early Porcupine Tree and early Tool?  Confused  Starcastle I will grant you- they were blatantly going for the Yes sound.  Of course, Yes were formed by a partnership of Jon Anderson and Chris Squire, who shared a strong fondness and influence of Simon & Garfunkel. Wink

Anyway, I smell a pissing match. Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 10:56
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

To Dick Heath:
OK, maybe the foundation on Prog Rock is American, but main formers of Prog are from Great Britain.
 
To Epignosis:
OK, Iīll correct my opinion "I mean American bands are always behind."  to "sometimes behind".
I have thought just about that:
 
Byrds - American answer to Beatles,
Astra -     -"-               -"-       to Pink Floyd,
Tool -      -"-               -"-       to Porcupine Tree,
Yezda Urfa -   -"-       -"-       to Gentle Giant,
Starcastle -  -"-         -"-       to Yes,
Blue Oyster Cult -     -"-      to Black Sabbath,  etc.
 
Of course, somebody can tell that sometimes American bands were the first , but I mean itīs only exemption.

I disagree with the Tool/PT statement. Tool had their sort of style while PT was still a psychedelia band, so I think Tool had that style first.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 11:01

To Epignosis:

Donīt worry!
 
Yes were influenced by Simon and Garfunkel? Maybe in vocal structures, but the music is quite different. Iīve heard all Porcupine Tree albums and "Aenima" and "10000 Days" of Tool.
 
As regards Byrds, the label "US answer to Beatles" was given them by some then journalists.
 
But my another equations are correct, arenīt it?Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 13:06
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

To Epignosis:

Donīt worry!
 
Yes were influenced by Simon and Garfunkel? Maybe in vocal structures, but the music is quite different. Iīve heard all Porcupine Tree albums and "Aenima" and "10000 Days" of Tool.
 
As regards Byrds, the label "US answer to Beatles" was given them by some then journalists.
 
But my another equations are correct, arenīt it?Wink


The only two I didn't comment on was Yezda Urfa because I've not heard them, and Blue Oyster Cult because that was Sandy Pearlman's exact words ("USA's answer to Black Sabbath").

But of what significance is any of this?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 13:15
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:



Anyway, I smell a pissing match. Dead

And if cats are involved, everyone loses. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 14:39
 How about The Doors??  Velvet Underground ?? Chicago??Frank Zappa?? Blood Sweet and Tears?? Love?? and many others....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 14:54
Originally posted by aspinosa aspinosa wrote:

 How about The Doors??  Velvet Underground ?? Chicago??Frank Zappa?? Blood Sweet and Tears?? Love?? and many others....

Well, Zappa wins by sheer numbers of albums that I have.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 15:05
We make better tea.
You make better coffee.
 
Oh sorry Prog.....oh well.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 15:18
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 15:29
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

We make better tea.
You make better coffee.
 
Oh sorry Prog.....oh well.
 
 

I thank you for the Earl Grey tea invention from your country but curse you for the BP, which I will not hold you personally responsible for.  Although not all of us are particularly upset:

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England, about that whole Revolution thing. You can totally have the East Coast back now we're pretty much done with it.

Men, for diluting our strong, masculine authority by giving women the vote.

Milli Vanilli. you guys totally deserve another Grammy.

Slovenia, for tying them in the second half of the World Cup match. Completely insensitive on our end to shakedown those two goals, and we deeply regret putting the ball in the net those three times and making you look bad. Let me make it up to you guys, I'll mail you some oil.

England, again, for the war of 1812, and in particular, the battle of New Orleans. We should just have let you guys have North America. You obviously really wanted it.

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