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    Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:26
What with some artists now preaching through their music,e.g Flowerkings,Niel morse,etc.Do you think the usual meaniningful lyrics associated with prog will fail to get through to the discerning? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:26
Wait, the Flower Kings preach?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:29
Who do you think the Flowerking is?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:33
I don't really think that the Flower Kings preach, they certainly do talk about the divine a lot, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:33
I'm probably the biggest Flower Kings fan on this board.  Roine's said many times that he belongs to no religion in particular, that he just believes in positivity and kindness.  He uses the Flower King as a symbol of that.  He's also used the Christian stories, as well as stories of other religions, to illustrate that positivity.  Devil's Playground mentions the Holy Mother of Hinduism, for example.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:36

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

I'm probably the biggest Flower Kings fan on this board.  Roine's said many times that he belongs to no religion in particular, that he just believes in positivity and kindness.  He uses the Flower King as a symbol of that.  He's also used the Christian stories, as well as stories of other religions, to illustrate that positivity.  Devil's Playground mentions the Holy Mother of Hinduism, for example.

Why I said they talk about the divine a lot, but it's never preaching.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:36

I don't see it will. Many proggers that like Neil Morse and aren't concerned with the lyrics. Perhaps I am wrong though. won't be a first time.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:39
I was not Taking the p*ss when I posted this topic.I love The Flowerkings,I was just wondering if people found the singing of GOD/Religion offputting to their liking of the music? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:39
Prog has always been about preaching, Pink Floyd,
ELP, Yes, the Moody Blues, Jethro Tull and on and
on! They just preached a different gospel!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:40

Quote I'm probably the biggest Flower Kings fan on this board.  Roine's said many times that he belongs to no religion in particular, that he just believes in positivity and kindness. 

Sounds like you're describing Jon Anderson, a guy obsessed with divinity, philosophy specially oriental, but this didn't caused that Yes music went down.

God doesn't ruins music, the man creates and ruins music, God is not guilty of a person's beliefs or disbeliefs.

BTW Since when kindnes and positivity is a bad influence for music? Unless you're a Marilyn Manson fan, I belief it's ok.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:42
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

I'm probably the biggest Flower Kings fan on this board.  Roine's said many times that he belongs to no religion in particular, that he just believes in positivity and kindness.  He uses the Flower King as a symbol of that.  He's also used the Christian stories, as well as stories of other religions, to illustrate that positivity.  Devil's Playground mentions the Holy Mother of Hinduism, for example.

Why I said they talk about the divine a lot, but it's never preaching.



I was referring to Dazo, actually, I should've used the quote feature. 

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I personally think that the uplifting spiritual aspect of The Flower Kings' music makes it better, not worse.  It makes their scope broader, their aim higher, their lyrical convictions stronger.  Humanizzimo just wouldn't be the same without Roine or (currently) Daniel wailing about "the blood of Jesus on a nail, we turn the balance on scal; in pain and fearless suffering lies a message from the King of Kings..."


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:48

Originally posted by Dazo Dazo wrote:

I was not Taking the p*ss when I posted this topic.I love The Flowerkings,I was just wondering if people found the singing of GOD/Religion offputting to their liking of the music? 

A lot of prog's about religious concerns. What's it's not about though is exclusively one religious orthodoxy, which is great and why it is universally appealing. I think part of why progressive rock is "progressive" is because it posits a system of belief that is a synthesis of all the great religions.

And this, imo, is the direction the world woud be quickly progessing to, if it weren't for pin-headed narrow minded literalists who have to have their truth spoon-fed to them by myth-obsessed psychopaths.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:48
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

I'm probably the biggest Flower Kings fan on this board.  Roine's said many times that he belongs to no religion in particular, that he just believes in positivity and kindness.  He uses the Flower King as a symbol of that.  He's also used the Christian stories, as well as stories of other religions, to illustrate that positivity.  Devil's Playground mentions the Holy Mother of Hinduism, for example.

Why I said they talk about the divine a lot, but it's never preaching.



I was referring to Dazo, actually, I should've used the quote feature. 

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I personally think that the uplifting spiritual aspect of The Flower Kings' music makes it better, not worse.  It makes their scope broader, their aim higher, their lyrical convictions stronger.  Humanizzimo just wouldn't be the same without Roine or (currently) Daniel wailing about "the blood of Jesus on a nail, we turn the balance on scal; in pain and fearless suffering lies a message from the King of Kings..."

I was aware that you were talking to Dazo, I was using that quote to strengthen my opinion, you said what I was going to say. I also agree with your bottom statement 100%.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 00:12
Dazo:  What about it?  They also say "Getting even altogether, hiding from the Holy Mother".  The Holy Mother is a Hindu thing.  Did Roine have a change of religion?  OH WAIT, in the same song, he says "This is how you raise the Cain, this is what you teach our children", a light Christian reference that is actually more about the mainstream phrase "raising Cain" than an actual reference to Christianity's Cain.

Then again, for ever Judas Kiss or Devil's Danceschool, we've got that clip at the end of Underdog talking about the John Holmes Pizza, 18 inches of deliiiicious...  pizza. 

Edit:  Where the hell did Dazo's post go? 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 00:21

What is wrong with preaching anyways?

Pink floyd preaches a hell lot, same thing for Jethro Tull! That does not diminish the impact of the lyrics or the music!

Religion has always been a big subject in music, the denial or acceptance of it. Not only in lyrics: John Mahavishu Mclaughlin is a great example!

I don't know for you guys, but Mu God from Jethro Tull Kicks ass and it does talks about, well, God!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 00:21
The holy mother could surely be Mary mother of god?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 00:25
What´s positive about Religion ???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 00:25
Originally posted by Dazo Dazo wrote:

The holy mother could surely be Mary mother of god?


Possibly.  I had a Hindu boyfriend for a while, and we both thought of the Hindu Holy Mother immediately when listening to that track for the first time.  Coincidence?  Maybe.

Still...  THE JOHN HOLMES PIZZA!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 00:27

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

What´s positive about Religion ???

You mean why is it good to wonder about how the universe was created? And how we came into being? That sort of thing?

"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2005 at 00:28
Yes, what´s the point ???
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