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mrcozdude 
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Posted: May 15 2009 at 23:41 |
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I was thinking to myself the other day about Jon Anderson and John Wettons vocals and no matter how much I think there vocals are fantastic.I don't think it would be possibly for vocalists such as them to be appreciated if they were to start out today.
Which slowly brought me to think what prog albums haven't aged well or perhaps albums you found lately not having that timeless quality?
I certainly can think of a few mainly in the early eighties.Also alot of Rick Wakeman and Emerson,Lake and Palmer comes to mind.
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 03:01 |
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I think these things are totally relative. Bruford's ONE OF A KIND got criticised somewhere for its "totally obsolete synths". I'm sure you could grumble all you wanted about early 1970s E.L.P. as well. But who really cares, if the music is so inspired? I mean: Sgt PEPPER, PET SOUNDS, BLONDE ON BLONDE, ELECTRIC LADYLAND could only have been made in the 1960s, you'll hear it as soon as you play the first track, but nobody complains about that, do they?
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mrcozdude
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 03:24 |
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I'm sure it's got a lot to do with bands trying to push there sound forward hence buying state of the art equipment at that time to create something brand new and unique especially in the eighties.Know one would of thought having sounds that sound so "futuristic" could go outdated.
Just a theory.
Another album that I really like but seems to receive criticism is Mile Davis - tutu great album though.
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Valdez
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 08:02 |
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Bo Hanssons albums aged poorly for me.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 08:47 |
I think one of the things that makes prog appeal to me so much is that it all has aged well for me. Then I read Valdez on Hansson. I've got three and I can certainly see that with Lord Of The Rings and Attic Thoughts, though Magician's Hat, not so much.  Most of early Zappa probably qualifies for me. Kahn's Space Shanty, which seems more well regarded around here than I do, would also qualify. Other than that nothing else really comes to mind.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 12:28 |
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For me the first period of Van de Graaf Generator sounds kinda dated, although i enjoy those albums a lot.
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boo boo
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 12:50 |
It could be argued that most prog was distinctly of it's time.
But yeah, Jethro Tull and ELP probably haven't dated as well as the other big prog bands, still have much love for them though.
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 13:11 |
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I don't really understand what you would mean by this. I can listen to music and pretty immediately tell what era it's from, but I don't feel that its dated. 60's music for example has a very specific sound, but that doesn't mean it's outdated....People will always like good music and dislike bad music however it suits them
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Turion
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 13:55 |
Every Genesis album. ** puts on the BIGGEST flame-shield ever known to man**
It's true though, because some very old albums still sound very good. Anything with bad singing and/or synths (they usually come in pairs) is so irritating to my ears.
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 14:01 |
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Dated???? What does that mean??? Prog itself is dated
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himtroy
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 14:02 |
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Somebody is about to get murdered in the name of Genesis...........it's only a matter of time before the wrong people get here
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 14:07 |
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Rick Wakeman VI wives of Henry VIII. It was dated before he recorded it and now he's thretening to perform it live - God help us! Aaaagh! Ok I admit it it's not just that it's dated - its also rubbish!
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Hercules
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 14:20 |
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In the Court of the Crimson King. I used to think it was good at one time. Now, except for Epitaph, I can't listen to most of it.
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 14:35 |
 ME - I'm definitely feeling dated tonight  Seriously, I have a pile of classic '70's prog, and I can't honestly think of anything that sounds dated. I grew up with this music, and it is still my undying passion, in the same way that my father still swears that Elvis is the ultimate rebel and rock 'n roll star. Most of the classic prog is a symbol of its time, but, by God, it still sounds great.
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el dingo
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 14:37 |
 Hercules wrote:
In the Court of the Crimson King. I used to think it was good at one time. Now, except for Epitaph, I can't listen to most of it. |
He He... we're getting into dodgy territory already. Actually I'm with you on this one, but I bet it won't be long before the popular opinion that because of its relevance to prog per se it is unassailable comes along. 
Edited by el dingo - May 16 2009 at 14:38
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Hercules
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 16:05 |
el dingo wrote:
Hercules wrote:
In the Court of the Crimson King. I used to think it was good at one time. Now, except for Epitaph, I can't listen to most of it. |
He He... we're getting into dodgy territory already. Actually I'm with you on this one, but I bet it won't be long before the popular opinion that because of its relevance to prog per se it is unassailable comes along. |
Indeed. There are some on here who, if you asked them how the Universe began, they would answer "King Crimson started it". The fact is that other bands did prog albums before ITCOTCK and many bands did much better ones after. I could NEVER get bored of Selling England, The Snow Goose, Meddle or Aqualung (amongst many others), as the music is still fresh today.
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 16:11 |
As much as I LOVE the album and the songs contained in there, it could have been better recorded for sure. The compositions are top notch though. 
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King Crimson776
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 16:12 |
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I think prog has aged a lot better than other music from the 70's (disco, (early) new wave). Who cares if they used moogs and 70's futurism? 70's futurism still might be right about the future! :P Besides, the lyrics are timeless in my opinion because they never really talk about specific times or places, sometimes, but usually the lyrics are general and can relate to any time. So, sure, you can tell it's 70's, but being able to tell what era it's from doesn't take away timelessness. I can tell Bach is from the Baroque era, it doesn't mean he isn't timeless.
Edited by King Crimson776 - May 16 2009 at 16:13
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 17:19 |
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I can put it in two ways, in somewhat of a contradiction.
1. From the major prog sub-genres, Symphonic Prog is the style that's bringing the least interesting and fresh ideas to the bands which are using it in the "by-the-book" style.
2. However, all the major Symphonic Prog albums keep offering me wonderful, refreshing experiences, almost 40 years after being written.
Therefore, I think it's not a problem inherent to the style, but to the approach of those bands I mentioned at No.1. Anyone got a better solution to my riddle?
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PROGMONSTER2008
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 19:57 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Rick Wakeman VI wives of Henry VIII. It was dated before he recorded it and now he's thretening to perform it live - God help us! Aaaagh! Ok I admit it it's not just that it's dated - its also rubbish! |
That album sounds great and fresh to my ears still
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