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    Posted: November 18 2008 at 21:00
Penguin Cafe Orchestra was a group of musicians led by composer Simon Jeffes, who play an odd assortment of music, with classical, jazz, folk, electronic, and progressive influences.
Honestly, I'm not sure how well they would fit into eclectic. However, they couldn't comfortably fit into Progressive Folk, Progressive Electronic, Jazz-Rock/Fusion or RIO/Avant-Prog.

You might be familiar with their track "Music for a Found Harmonium" which California Guitar Trio covered on their new album "Echoes." You can listen to that track on Penguin Cafe Orchestra's unofficial MySpace page here. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=234377119

Here is their official web page: http://www.penguincafe.com/home.htm
Here is their MySpace page: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=57771178
Here is their All Music Guide page: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:0ifwxqq5ldde
Here is thier Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penguin_Cafe_Orchestra


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Points: 37233 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2008 at 21:29
PCO has been proposed a number of times.  The RIO/ Avant team evaluated them and thought it was best for Prog Related (from progfreak -- the four blue balls means Related; the arrow means move to a  Prog category :

Penguin Cafe Orchestra       RIO/Avant/Zeuhl Chart: Cleared

That track alone would not commend them to Eclectic (it's not rock).  Looking for more music at the site now (samples)..  That said, I once had an album by the band many years ago -- absolutely terrific.  I should return to the band.   I think it has chamber qualities that does liken it to bands such as Art Zoyd (or ZnR -- is that in?), but I'd need to hear much more to think if it could fit Eclectic.  I would love to see such music included here, but for Eclectic (which is for bands that are a mix of Prog styles with no "subgenre" referential core) it may be a stretch.
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 06:42
Wow, I haven't heard those guys in many years but the music from the album I heard, Music from the Penguin Cafe, is still lodged up there in my head.  Quirky, yet accessible.  Now I'm probably going to have to and buy it. LOL  Milk.

CD Universe classifies them as Rock/Pop, Alternative, New Age, Experimental Rock, Rock, Jazz

Edited by Slartibartfast - November 19 2008 at 06:47
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Only the first album is really progressive (Almost RIO/Chamber rock), the rest of the albums growing successively easier listening to become almost elevator music
 
 
Prog related at best.
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Points: 5851 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 11:17
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Only the first album is really progressive (Almost RIO/Chamber rock), the rest of the albums growing successively easier listening to become almost elevator music
 
 
Prog related at best.
 
Yes, I think that PR is correct for PCO.


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Yeah, there music doesn't really "rock." I still think they have progressive qualities. I guess PR is the way to go.
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Points: 7003 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2008 at 05:52
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Only the first album is really progressive (Almost RIO/Chamber rock), the rest of the albums growing successively easier listening to become almost elevator music
 
 
Prog related at best.
 
Definitely prog related, but I think 'easy listening elevator music' is a bit harsh - they lost some of their experimental edge after the first album, but they retained their quirkiness - if Slapp happy had been an instrumental band they'd probably have sounded something like PCO.
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To prog related then, ok there all the way
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So, were they ever added to PR? 
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I hope so. I love PCO.
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I don't see them there. I am hoping that someone with more behind-the-scenes info on the PR inclusions will step in here and enlighten us. Were they flat-out rejected, even by PR? Or were they simply put on the back burner?

If it's the former, I would be very, very shocked. 
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It looks like there's almost a consensus going on here for PR.  Unfortunately if you go read the current definition of PR...

I did order a copy of the first one.  I think the 2008 CD release is the first time it's been available on CD.

v I wish I was Special, but I'm a creep. LOL  Actually, I don't know but one album so even if I was I couldn't make the case.


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Heard these guys on a compilation album some years back and loved the style _ prog related, very Jazzy too for the most part and way out music at times.
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Points: 21795 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 10:25

I only have the first album but it is very proggressive which is why I was surprised they weren't on the site.
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Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

I only have the first album but it is very proggressive which is why I was surprised they weren't on the site.

Well, as others have said, it's not so much that they aren't progressive as it is they aren't rock.  This is a Prog Rock website.  Still, if Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze can get in (who certainly aren't rock music,) I don't see why PCO can't.
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Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

I only have the first album but it is very proggressive which is why I was surprised they weren't on the site.

Well, as others have said, it's not so much that they aren't progressive as it is they aren't rock.  This is a Prog Rock website.  Still, if Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze can get in (who certainly aren't rock music,) I don't see why PCO can't.


Almost every band in the Prog Electronic category has nothing to do with rock. Kraftwerk, Mike Oldfield, Popol Vuh, Lustmord, Aube, Robert Rich, Tor Lundval, Harold Budd... not to mention all the post-rock bands which are decidedly unrocklike. I don't see how that argument carries much water.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

A Special Collaborator needs to advocate their case in front of the Admin Team in order to start the evaluation for Prog-Related. Any takers?

I'm not a SC, or else I would. Wink
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Which are those many post-rock bands that are "decidedly" unrocklike? 
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