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The Quiet One
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Topic: Bonus Tracks. What do you think? Posted: June 22 2008 at 21:21 |
Well I necessary think they're worthless. THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS but in GENERAL.
I highly prefer JUST THE ORIGINAL PLAYLIST.
Eg: Deep Purple's bonus tracks are junky BBC sessions of the same song.
TAAB has TAAB live version and I think it's worthless and boring. While the Interview is interesting but just to listen once.
Good bonus tracks would be B-Sides or Outtakes or even Live versions. But I generally prefer the Original Playlist without getting ruined with junkies or reapeted songs.
I think, generally, bonus tracks are a bad thing that ruin the Original Playlist intended by the Author(band, artist).
Discuss.
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1800iareyay
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 21:24 |
The only time you ever get good bonus tracks is when Legacy puts out a Deluxe Edition of an album (an entire concert with Who's Next, The Vanilla Tapes with London Calling, all of Live at Leeds FINALLY, etc.), but for the most part tacking on two generic live tracks (*cough*JudasPriest*cough*) is so pointless.
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febus
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 21:54 |
Not always interesting, can even destroy the flow of an album, but sometimes this is really a BONUS.
The best example is of course, Jethro Tull which has almost every recording definitely enhanced with those bonuses. Think of TOO OLD TOO ROCK, STORMWATCH, BROADSWORD, TIME WAS and of course, Pablo, we don't want to forget your favorite JT cd...the great WARCHILD
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Sckxyss
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 21:55 |
Well, if they're really bad, no one's forcing anyone to listen to the last few tracks, and I can think of many cases where the bonus tracks are great. So, with nothing to lose and something to gain, I can't see a downside to bonus tracks...
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 22:03 |
flow disturbance is a valid complaint but I think given the choice, it's been a good thing.. the Tull bonus cuts are almost always 1) very good, and 2) a valuable look into the whole material at the time.. or things like finally getting the 'Power and the Glory' title cut was great
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NotAProghead
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 22:14 |
I often buy CDs of my favourite bands exactly because of bonus tracks.
Though I partly agree, listening something after albums' final tracks (especially if finale is great) sometimes ruines the atmosphere. Fortunately CD players have Program buttons.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 22:41 |
I don't use the word much as a rule ... I HATE bonus tracks as a rule however Tulls works magic because they seem to have taken songs that blended in very well and kept them very good quality .. but I stand by me prior comment ... they ruin the flow in most cases and take away the nostalgic experience that was offered from the vinyl release. sure you can program edit stop it if you like but Aqualung or Leftoverture which ever CD this has happened with was meant to be heard in a certain way and that was the artists intention many years before CDs ever came out.
Edited by Yorkie X - June 22 2008 at 22:52
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1800iareyay
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 22:45 |
Tull is a good call and I totally forgot about them. Is flow disturbance really a factor? I mean, they are thrown in after the real album is done (although I have heard of a few tracks being thrown in the old track order, which is bad unless you're filling out a live album's setlist), so how does that kill flow? Just take out the CD when the album ends like you would have anyway.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 22:48 |
How can they ruin the flow? Just stop the CD player at the end of the regular album and never listen to them. They are worthless, but also meaningless unless you have OCD. Or are extremely inattentive and get halfway through the bonus track before you realize you should have taken the CD out earlier.
I don't care, I almost never listen to them more than once.
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DJPuffyLemon
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 22:54 |
Its actually a very very VERY petty argument against bonus tracks: oh it ruins the flow of the album! well....i don't know get over it? at WORST, its extra material that might be interesting to listen to every other time you spin the disc.
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Valdez
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 23:02 |
I think there should always be a 15-20 second pause between the original album and the Bonus tracks. Most bonus tracks are bogus but I have a few cd's that have a few killer bonus tracks.
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CCVP
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 23:11 |
its simple: DON'T buy the album with bonus tracks, and thats it! Besides, even if you have bought an album with bonus tracks, well, you are not obligated to listen to them, just like your are not obligated to listen the album itself: you bought the album because you wanted it and, if it has any BONUS, you asked for it because you bought the album with teh bonus!
Seriously dude, wtf?!? just don't listen them.
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1800iareyay
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 23:19 |
CCVP wrote:
its simple: DON'T buy the album with bonus tracks, and thats it!
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That solution makes no sense. When an album is rereleased (provided we're still talking about a one-disc version and not a deluxe package from Sony/Legacy or some such), the previous incarnation of that album ceases being printed. So people would have to scour Ebay or the Amazon Marketplace or even good old flea markets and used bins to find a copy without bonus tracks. Also, when they throw in bonus tracks, it's almost certain the album got a remaster, so you'd be hunting for a copy that has an older sound. This is only worth your time if the remastering was a hack job (Cruisin With the Jets, those rerecordings of Ozzy's first two albums, etc.). I do agree that it's a silly thing to whine about though.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 23:43 |
cacho wrote:
Well I necessary think they're worthless. THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS but in GENERAL.
I highly prefer JUST THE ORIGINAL PLAYLIST.
Eg: Deep Purple's bonus tracks are junky BBC sessions of the same song.
TAAB has TAAB live version and I think it's worthless and boring. While the Interview is interesting but just to listen once.
Good bonus tracks would be B-Sides or Outtakes or even Live versions. But I generally prefer the Original Playlist without getting ruined with junkies or reapeted songs.
I think, generally, bonus tracks are a bad thing that ruin the Original Playlist intended by the Author(band, artist).
Discuss. |
Yep, completely agree and apart from a very few exceptional instances, the 'previously unreleased' description merely serves to confirm why. There are some truly atrocious live tracks being added to most of the reissued VDGG studio albums and these 'baby clangers' only serve to tarnish a great band's reputation. On the plus side, there are some real 'diamonds in the mire' on some of the ELP boxed sets which are certainly worth owning. Let's face it, who wants to see Da Vinci's failed and abandoned sketches that prefaced the Mona Lisa ?
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Jozef
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 23:53 |
It doesn't make a difference to me about the tracklist, if you want to hear or see the original tracklisting then don't bother picking up a re-issue and just enjoy it the way it is. Or just cross out the extra songs on the CD case I always appreciate an added addition of unreleased material, demo versions of the songs (always cool to hear what the song originally sounded like) and live cuts. I think it adds more to the package.
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KrakAtack
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 00:06 |
Generally speaking I like the original albums because of the flow. However there are exceptions, such as Jimi Hendrix, Band of Gypsies......which was a great original album...however...the release of the entire CD was a double CD which contained much great stuff which blew me away....of course someone else felt the same and stole it...so.......
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Prospero
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 01:52 |
I usually like them, may it be bass and drums tracks as in Atheist's remasters or previously unreleased songs. I actually discovered a very good song listening Caravan's Land of Grey and Pink's bonus tracks: Aristocracy.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 02:48 |
Can't say I really play them all that often. I usually like the album
to end when it was supposed to end. I find demos and single versions of
song be be a little useless sometimes. Live tracks are good when the
quality is decent (I've never made it through Gog on VdGG's Still Life)
but unreleased studios and b-sides are alright a lot of the time. It's
hard to listen to them in context a lot of the time, usually if bsides
are used as bonuses I try to reconstruct the ep from whence they came
and listen to it like that. Bonus tracks... I'm indifferent really,
they've never changed the way I've thought about an album, and some of
them are good - while some of them I've never listened to and maybe
never will.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 02:53 |
Problem?
febus wrote:
Not always interesting, can even destroy the flow of an album |
Solution!
Henry Plainview wrote:
Just stop the CD player at the end of the regular album and never listen to them.
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Vompatti
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 03:41 |
Sometimes they're nice, but I still think that if they're worth releasing they should be released as a compilation instead of scattering them on a series of remastered albums.
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