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Tetragon
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Topic: Def or Not? That is the question Posted: August 09 2007 at 08:39 |
Know fact that CD users are def as a door post, Vinyl users are not..
So at a guess 95% of this place's members will vote for:def..But it would be nice to know the remaining percentage.
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laplace
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 08:52 |
mark me down as deaf. ;P i'm sure I'll never get to use a stereo system good enough to accentuate the slim differences between cda and an original pressing.
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:12 |
deaf, though I have a musician's good hearing.
Vinyl's are part of something my father will leave in his will to me. Our vinyl-player broke, other one are rare to find...so I ain't gonna play vinyl for a long, long time.
Edited by Ricochet - August 09 2007 at 09:13
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thellama73
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:13 |
I find your smug elitism off-putting. Tetragon. I will not vote in your poll.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:15 |
deaf. but that's because I play drums - so no vote is needed from me.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:20 |
For the sake of this poll I'm deaf, because I even think that the sound of CDs is superior to vinyl (provided that the mix/mastering is done correctly). The funny thing is that even though I'm apparently deaf I still manage to tune my guitar correctly by ear ...
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Tetragon
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:24 |
thellama73 wrote:
I find your smug elitism off-putting. Tetragon. I will not vote in your poll. |
Don't worry about it.Oh you know it's rude to point!
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:28 |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:38 |
Ricochet wrote:
deaf, though I have a musician's good hearing.
Vinyl's are part of something my father will leave in his will to me. Our vinyl-player broke, other one are rare to find...so I ain't gonna play vinyl for a long, long time.
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No wonder, if you let that stupid cat in your signature screw around with your turntable....
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:46 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
deaf, though I have a musician's good hearing.
Vinyl's are part of something my father will leave in his will to me. Our vinyl-player broke, other one are rare to find...so I ain't gonna play vinyl for a long, long time.
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No wonder, if you let that stupid cat in your signature screw around with your turntable.... |
Ah, that explains why I can't get a cat for a pet.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:47 |
Why would you want a cat? They've got no personality.
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 09:50 |
Oy, another one who doesn't like cats?! Am I alone on this world? Back to topic?
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thellama73
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 10:44 |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 12:00 |
There's a lot of inverted snobbery regarding LPs. My guess is that many of those who think them superior to CDs would only be able to tell the difference by the crackles, clicks and skips. I have literally thousands of LPs, and much prefer the sleeves which they came in, but sound wise, give me a CD any day.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 12:06 |
I love cats, too, I was only playing. The only reason I ever talk bad about cats is because, in relation to dogs, they suck.
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 12:12 |
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 12:20 |
I loved that movie "Cats and Dogs" because cats were the evil ones and dogs were the heroes. w00t. It's so historically accurate.
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Vompatti
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 12:46 |
Dogs are SO overrated!
Anyway, CDs and vinyls sound different, but I don't think either sounds
better than the other. With the kind of equipment I have the difference
isn't very big anyway, so I guess I'm deaf.
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Dean
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 12:55 |
I prefer shellac myself - when you get bored with the music you can soften it in a warm oven and make a nice fruit bowl.
I actually do not have an issue with standard CD audio - it works just fine, most of my vinyl sits unplayed, slowly accruing value...
I do have an issue with lossy formats like mp3 that deliberately throw away information - now that disc storage is no longer at a premium we really don't need mp3 (at all, ever) - let me buy FLAC or wav-files, I've got the bandwidth and a Terabyte of disc space; my iPod is only 3/4 full and I'll happily dump a couple of Arch Enemy albums to make space for few Floyd tracks
Most of the arguments between CD and Vinyl boil down to the equipment used to play them rather than the formats themselves. No one can seriously say a CD played on a PC is superior to a vinyl played on a medium priced HiFi (yet they try); and to buy a CD transport that is on par with a £200 turntable you could end up paying 5 times that. A £500 CD transport will last 2 years before the bearings dry-out and the laser-tracking begins to stick and jump, (what the hell is Error 6??? - I've got two players that regularily come up with that message), yet a 40 year-old turntable still plays perfectly. At the end of the day - the CD is convenient up to a point, but vinyl still "sounds better" to me.
I do, however, question some of the claims made for CD audio - if it were as perfect as some people make out then there would be no need for the higher bit-counts, faster sampling-rates and wider frequency ranges that are now available within the various high definition audio formats - yet they all exist and the list is growing.
Truth is the audio signal starts and ends in the analogue-domain - inbetween it is convolved into the digital-domain and back again and in doing that some information is lost; it b ggers off into infinity in both directions and you cannot get it back - that's physics and you cannot change it - the real question is can you hear it?
In 1984 we where told you cannot hear a difference - but we could, so they added loads of filtering and 18 times over-sampling, and some people could still tell the difference. Now we have SACD, but no one is buying it; and we will soon have Blu Ray audio and no one will buy that either. Sony et al must be spending this development money for a reason, but I cannot fathom what that reason really is if 99% of the buying public are happy with mp3 downloads at over-inflated prices.
What I would like to see is more money spent on developing new pure analogue formats. A 'vinyl' that doesn't scrach or warp, one that is immune to dust and wear. On that doesn't need RIAA equalisation to minimise groove width. A affordable turntable that doesn't rely on physical contact. Then the value of my vinyl collection will really skyrocket
(now you wish you hadn't started this topic )
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thellama73
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 13:03 |
darqdean wrote:
What I would like to see is more money spent on developing new pure analogue formats. A 'vinyl' that doesn't scrach or warp, one that is immune to dust and wear. On that doesn't need RIAA equalisation to minimise groove width. A affordable turntable that doesn't rely on physical contact. Then the value of my vinyl collection will really skyrocket
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Wow, THAT is a great idea, and one I've never heard anyone propose before. Maybe you should start your own company.
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