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Atavachron 
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Posted: October 12 2006 at 23:18 |
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You know them, you love them, and they never quite got the recognition they deserved. I'll start with Brian Davison, the Nice's extremely capable drummer overshadowed by Emerson's flash and Lee Jackson's wretched vocals-- in fact, he's not credited whatsoever on the LP version of 'Five Bridges' except briefly in Keith's notes (and on the CD cover his name is misspelled!).
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Posted: October 13 2006 at 06:26 |
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Roy Wood's contributions to ELO ( 1st album ) and The Move is mostly overshadowed by Jeff Lynne. John Curulewski ( correct spelling??) of the early Styx albums did some real prog work with the band but you don't hear his name mentioned too often...
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Posted: October 13 2006 at 06:35 |
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Another name to this list: Cyril Havermans did an outstanding job on bass with Focus ("Moving Waves"), but most people seems to listen only to Akkerman/Van Leer.
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Posted: October 13 2006 at 20:01 |
 alias10mr wrote:
Roy Wood's contributions to ELO ( 1st album ) and The Move is mostly overshadowed by Jeff Lynne. John Curulewski ( correct spelling??) of the early Styx albums did some real prog work with the band but you don't hear his name mentioned too often... |
...And let's not forget is very own band Wizzard,wich had some nice proggy moments and should be on PA!!! 
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Posted: October 13 2006 at 20:39 |
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O.K., finally some responses-- I mean, I didn't this thread was *that* lame. We all must have someone we think was overlooked...
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Posted: October 13 2006 at 21:15 |
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Guy Evans (VDGG) and Mattias Olsson (Anglagard), both extremly capable drummers, Olsson being in my personal top three... yet I feel Im the only one who ever mentions them
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Posted: October 13 2006 at 21:22 |
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Gnidrolog's bassist, Peter Cowling, gets overshadowed by the Goldring twins. In fact, the whole rest of the band does.
Also, Trey Gunn gets overshadowed by both his bandmates, Fripp and Belew, and by previous bassists (bassist in this case meaning player of a stringed instrument with the lowest range in the band, to clarify any confusion caused by Sticks and Warr Guitars).
David Cross's work in King Crimson Mk. III is totally overshadowed by the incredibly talented Fripp, Wetton, and Bruford. He left because he felt unappriciated, and rightfully so.
Irmin Schmidt and Michael Karoli are both somewhat ignored over the awesome rhythm section of CAN.
Edited by rileydog22 - October 13 2006 at 22:55
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Posted: October 13 2006 at 22:41 |
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Yeah, Trey Gunn is a good one, though I suspect he gets a lot of credit from those in the know. And what about the 'unknown' John Clark, a fantastic axeman who replaced Holdsworth for Bruford's summer tour in 1979...guy can cook.
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Posted: October 13 2006 at 23:45 |
Well, the first examples that come to mind are the two drummers who played for Deus ex Machina along the years: Marco Matteuzzi ('91-'95, including De Republica) and Claudio Trotta ('96 to this day), both of them absolutely amazing. Most of the "golden age of prog" drummers could barely get close to the quality of these guys' playing. And I never hear anyone talking about them.
Actually, Deus ex Machina as a band is terribly overlooked and I really don't understand why... Maybe it's because they're filed under "jazz rock/fusion" here on PA, which doesn't exactly suit their unique style, maybe it's just the eclectic nature of their music, the lack of promotion etc. (or maybe because most of their lyrics are in Latin ) Anyway, they've been around for fifteen years and it's about time they got some recognition. Listen to them if you get the chance, regardless of what kind of prog you usually prefer (RIO, symph, fusion, classic Italian prog or otherwise); a lot of people on this forum would love them, but most probably haven't had the chance to know them yet. Also in the "underrated drummers" section, I don't even want to start taking about Paul Ramsey of Echolyn, so I'll just stop right here. 
Edited by Uroboros - October 13 2006 at 23:47
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Posted: October 13 2006 at 23:52 |
Boz Burrell
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Posted: October 14 2006 at 00:15 |
Uroboros wrote:
Well, the first examples that come to mind are the two drummers who played for Deus ex Machina along the years: Marco Matteuzzi ('91-'95, including De Republica) and Claudio Trotta ('96 to this day), both of them absolutely amazing. Most of the "golden age of prog" drummers could barely get close to the quality of these guys' playing. And I never hear anyone talking about them.
Actually, Deus ex Machina as a band is terribly overlooked and I really don't understand why... Maybe it's because they're filed under "jazz rock/fusion" here on PA, which doesn't exactly suit their unique style, maybe it's just the eclectic nature of their music, the lack of promotion etc. (or maybe because most of their lyrics are in Latin ) Anyway, they've been around for fifteen years and it's about time they got some recognition. Listen to them if you get the chance, regardless of what kind of prog you usually prefer (RIO, symph, fusion, classic Italian prog or otherwise); a lot of people on this forum would love them, but most probably haven't had the chance to know them yet. Also in the "underrated drummers" section, I don't even want to start taking about Paul Ramsey of Echolyn, so I'll just stop right here. |
I do love Deus ex Machina, when there`s a thread about them i have always posted with support and tried to invite people to their music.
Also i remember a poll about italian durmmers, no Claudio Trotta in the poll, but i mentioned him as my favorite!
Bravo Uroboros!
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 14 2006 at 03:01 |
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and what of Shawn Lane (guitar/Jonas Hellborg)
John Mole (bass/Colosseum II)
Mark Wood (violin/Jordan Rudess)
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Posted: October 14 2006 at 05:08 |
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I'm not sure, but isn't Opeth's bassist a little overlooked? Martin
Mendez, that is. They've had a number of bassists, but this guy have
been with them a little longer than the others.
Edited by Philéas - October 14 2006 at 05:09
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Posted: October 14 2006 at 05:09 |
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syd barrett.he never got the recognition he deserved IMO
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Posted: October 14 2006 at 09:25 |
memowakeman wrote:
Uroboros wrote:
Well, the first examples that come to mind are the two drummers who played for Deus ex Machina along the years: Marco Matteuzzi ('91-'95, including De Republica) and Claudio Trotta ('96 to this day), both of them absolutely amazing. Most of the "golden age of prog" drummers could barely get close to the quality of these guys' playing. And I never hear anyone talking about them.
Actually, Deus ex Machina as a band is terribly overlooked and I really don't understand why... Maybe it's because they're filed under "jazz rock/fusion" here on PA, which doesn't exactly suit their unique style, maybe it's just the eclectic nature of their music, the lack of promotion etc. (or maybe because most of their lyrics are in Latin ) Anyway, they've been around for fifteen years and it's about time they got some recognition. Listen to them if you get the chance, regardless of what kind of prog you usually prefer (RIO, symph, fusion, classic Italian prog or otherwise); a lot of people on this forum would love them, but most probably haven't had the chance to know them yet. Also in the "underrated drummers" section, I don't even want to start taking about Paul Ramsey of Echolyn, so I'll just stop right here. |
I do love Deus ex Machina, when there`s a thread about them i have always posted with support and tried to invite people to their music.
Also i remember a poll about italian durmmers, no Claudio Trotta in the poll, but i mentioned him as my favorite!
Bravo Uroboros! |
It's good to know someone feels the same. I mean, of course there are people listening to them somewhere in the world, but it's just that, compared for instance to the large handful of popular Italian symph bands, which a lot of people seem to be listening to, these guys somehow have remained extremely underground and it's just not fair.
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and what of Shawn Lane (guitar/Jonas Hellborg)
John Mole (bass/Colosseum II)
Mark Wood (violin/Jordan Rudess) |
Yes, Shawn Lane was a wonderful guitarist. I only heard of him a few months ago, when I began listening to the various Hellborg projects. Basically, the man had a sound which is exactly what I thought most jazz guitarists lacked: very melodic and warm, even in free improvisation. Actually, albums like Temporal Analogues of Paradise or Personae are a joy to listen to especially because of his particular style of playing. He sometimes sounds like a hard rock/metal guitarist who accidentally landed in a jazz context and somehow manages to adapt and add a new dimension to the music through his playing.
I also have one of his solo live albums, but besides that and his participation in Hellborg's projects I'm not sure he has released anything else. Maybe I should just do some more searching.
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Posted: October 14 2006 at 09:35 |
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syd barrett.he never got the recognition he deserved IMO |
I think he got just about one thousand times the recognition he deserved. I've heard the term "avantgarde" adressed to early PF and especially his compositions one too many times. I mean, come on, the guy restricted to playing about four chords at most, and minimalism wasn't exactly his invention. Arvo Part was doing it for a while, and generally speaking innovation in music at the time was going on elsewhere, not in Piper at the Gates of Dawn.
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Posted: October 14 2006 at 09:59 |
Uroboros wrote:
martinprog77 wrote:
syd barrett.he never got the recognition he deserved IMO |
I think he got just about one thousand times the recognition he deserved. I've heard the term "avantgarde" adressed to early PF and especially his compositions one too many times. I mean, come on, the guy restricted to playing about four chords at most, and minimalism wasn't exactly his invention. Arvo Part was doing it for a while, and generally speaking innovation in music at the time was going on elsewhere, not in Piper at the Gates of Dawn. |
True!
Maybe Andy Tillison, hes out there with one of the best symphonic bands of the moment but we rarely give him the credit (as he is the main composer), we just talk about the Tangent, but not about him. Great composer and a true proghead...seems like a nice guy also
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Posted: October 14 2006 at 13:37 |
Uroboros wrote:
I think he got just about one thousand times the recognition he
deserved. I've heard the term "avantgarde" adressed to early PF and
especially his compositions one too many times. I mean, come on, the
guy restricted to playing about four chords at most, and minimalism
wasn't exactly his invention. Arvo Part was doing it for a while, and
generally speaking innovation in music at the time was going on
elsewhere, not in Piper at the Gates of Dawn. |
Edited by Philéas - October 14 2006 at 13:38
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Posted: October 14 2006 at 16:02 |
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Urobos-- Tragically, Shawn Lane has died at the painfully young age of 40. He was spectacular and I like your description of him as a metal guitarist adapting to jazz (though it may have been the other way around!). 'Personae' is a great jam and I recently reviewed it here, as there was no write-up of it.
Edited by Atavachron - October 14 2006 at 16:03
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Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:13 |
Some may debate his "unsungness", but I have been listening to Porcupine Tree a lot lately. In the past it was more about the general ambience or drive of the songs. It has always been about Steven Wilson. Lately, it's been because of the fantastic chops of who? What's his name? Who is that drummer?
Gavin Harrison.
http://www.drumset.demon.co.uk
Edited by StyLaZyn - November 15 2006 at 16:13
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