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beowulf
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Topic: What is prog? (really) Posted: June 08 2006 at 10:39 |
I new here, and as this is a widely debated topic, I'm pretty sure there's already a thread on it, but I'm wondering what you think constitutes prog (or progressive) rock. I am stuck between defining it as a genre (an idea that repels me) and defining it as an attemp/mindset (to maker new, experimental, fresh music, to break traditional rules of music, to make more complex music, to draw from a variety of diverse influences w/o being emulative etc. etc.)
If defined as a genre, then it is not truly "progressive" at all as shown by the neo (retro) prog (note: I have not widely listenned to neo-prog, therefore I may be entirely wrong, but what I have heard bores me to death, I find it way to derivative and not at all fresh, Frank Zappa's phrase "death by nostalgia" comes to mind), this regressive nature seems completely against the mindset of the prog rock from the seventies. Also I think the bands that have been most progressive in the last fifteen years are the ones that sound least like the sympho-prog of the seventies. These bands include Radiohead, Sigur Ros, Hella, Phish (yes, Phish), and TriPod.
However, if it is simply a mindset/attempt, then not only is neo prog is not prog, but niether is other less experimental (but still very good) bands from the seventies, such as Rush (though you may argue that Rush was experimental, as I have not listenned to much of them I am hardly an expert)
I believe a better classifiacation system would be to define certain genre that arrose out of the prog movement (which I do not believe died in the seventies), for example, I see much of neo-prog to be better classified simply as sympho rock, rather that calling it prog (though as I said I haven't heard much neo-prog)
I understand that this is badly researched and badly written (i.e. not comprehensive, or cohesive) but I would appreciatete comments or criticisms
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 10:46 |
Progressive Rock is a fusion of genres to create an original sound.
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Masque
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 10:55 |
Music for the mind
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 11:02 |
I like what I read once: it's music that progresses. Not that it's
necessarily so that each act or artist or album must progress from what
has come before, but music that progresses throughout the course of
each song. You can potentially do that within a three minute Pop song
structure, or over 25 minutes of lots of new themes.
It means being unpredictable or at least developing over time. That
gives some room for nostalgia as well, because that can be done in new
ways.
Edited by Teaflax - June 08 2006 at 11:36
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 11:19 |
Xenoxen wrote:
Progressive Rock is a fusion of genres to create an original sound. |
Well Said Xenoxen. I am new to this sight but xenoxen statement really pulled me in to reply.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 11:21 |
NeoProg wrote:
Xenoxen wrote:
Progressive Rock is a fusion of genres to create an original sound. |
Well Said Xenoxen. I am new to this sight but xenoxen statement really pulled me in to reply. |
Thank You NeoProg and welcome to PA.
Edited by Xenoxen - June 08 2006 at 11:21
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CrazyDiamond
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 11:54 |
No, there is not another topic like this.
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CrazyDiamond
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 11:55 |
Anyway,
prog is 
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:04 |
it's a particularly vile and demeaning form of fetish porn
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:06 |
Prog is like an icecream with a lot of different flavours (you know ice cream balls) :-)
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:15 |
Is rock with classical music.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:20 |
Prog is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:23 |
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:53 |
On the great tree that is music, prog is...
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crucify_the_ego
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 13:50 |
I just see it as anything that tries to defy the norm, break new boundaries, resculpt the landscape of music. Some would say that's pretentious, though
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 13:53 |
Read the "Prog?" page on the startsite
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 14:22 |
A refuge from the neverending tripe that is constantly shoved down our throats by the record companies and complicit media outlets that cater to sheep. I AM NOT A SHEEP. I do not care if you had a bad day or if she is beautiful. Enough!
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 14:29 |
Notch wrote:
On the great tree that is music, prog is...

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Posted: June 08 2006 at 14:35 |
What is prog? ladies and gentlemen, are you sitting comfortably? then i will begin...
Far away in a place called "En-ger-land" the mighty Prog Dinosaur, successor of a long line of wild warrior kings from far away such as Blues, Rock'n'Roll, Beat, Pop and Psyche, ruled happily and peacefully for many years. Prog Dinosaur held court with the Great Emperor Heavy Rock and they feasted and made merry together and eventually became very fat, and after the great Prog/Punk war of 1976, in which the mighty Prog Dinosaur was mortally wounded, the New Wave Punk Gremlins held sway for a very short time and were in turn defeated by the NWOBHM Army, who were in turn destroyed by the Britpop Trolls, but meanwhile the son of Prog Dinosaur "Neo Prog" and his many followers came out from exile and settled in En-ger-land, where they preached the new Prog and soon found many new followers from all over the world. They formed an alliance with the Fiery Metal Dragon, the Krautrock King, the Jazz Giant and many others. They spread their peaceful message across the world and still continue to gain great influence with many young warriors and elders alike. Nowadays the elders sit by the fire and remember many gigs and battles fought during the great days of the Prog Dinosaur - may we remember him and may his new family of descendants prosper - and all hail to that i say!!!! ALL HAIL!!!
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 15:38 |
I think there's not a steady meaning. Everyday, I know less about that. All I know is that a large percentage of the music I'm interested in is classified under that label. I know for myself that any kind of music that follows a patern can not be called progressive. Hence, my lack of interest in clone bands, or like "brand" bands. Must come from an internal need to explore sounds. Most of the times, I think that the actual exploration has move from the prog bands to another stage.
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