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Tomodachi 
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:11 |
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Hello everyone.
I know there's a lot controversy about this band, and I know that ratings reflect the thoughts of the whole prog community so probably in the end each album gets what it deserves, but I can't help thinking that is absolutely unfair, from an objective point of view, that no Flower Kings album appears in the top 100 here in PA, and not even in the top 250! Currently their best placement is number 330 (!) with Unfold the Future... I think this is very ungenerous for a band that has been among the most important in the prog scene for the past 12 years.
Sorry for complaining, but what do you think about?
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Trickster F.
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:22 |
What exactly is their importance in the prog scene? Please explain.
-- Ivan
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Rorro
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:25 |
I feel the same way, but if it's everybody's opinion....... .
I think that many reviewers tend to give them low ratings because thy're highly influenced by the 70's symphonic prog, i mean because they have no innovation. But i think they're great, one of my favourites, and one of the big bands that are keeping prog alive.
Adam&Eve, for example is an excellent album IMO, but it seems that nobody thinks the same. IMO it is better than many other Albums from the top 100, for example In Absentia, SFAM, SLS, etc.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:25 |
I would say there importance was being a major player in the resurgence of prog.
I love your sig by the way.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:26 |
 Rorro wrote:
I feel the same way, but if it's everybody's opinion....... .
I think that many reviewers tend to give them low ratings because thy're highly influenced by the 70's symphonic prog, i mean because they have no innovation.
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They have no innovation? You seriously believe this?
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:28 |
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<<What exactly is their importance in the prog scene? Please explain.>>
That question can be posed to a myriad of bands who have made the top 100. I think The Flower Kings have as much of a right to be on there as other bands like Mars Volta and Riverside.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:30 |
ivansfr0st wrote:
What exactly is their importance in the prog scene? Please explain.
-- Ivan |
They are one of the most popular bands and - together with Spock's Beard, Echolyn, Dream Theater etc - they are the door to the whole progressive music scene for many people.
Honestly, do you really believe that a mainstream rock music fan would be able to immediately get into the really experimental bands? Some would, but most of them would be alienated and never touch prog again with a ten foot pole.
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Rorro
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:30 |
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They're one of the modern symphonic prog leaders, and they kind of keep the 70's spirit ( and songwritting), but they introduce some modern playing and manage to sound original (i know most proggers think they're not original). Also Roine Stolt is a very important man in the prog scene.
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Maverick
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:34 |
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The Flower Kings - are champions of progressive rock nowadays.
It's a shame that their albums aren't respected by Tops. Thus, I don't like Tops, Polls, etc... Sometimes, they are simply unfair.
Rorro, sorry, but I don't like "Adam & Eve". I fact, I don't know why. Really. Every time I listen to it, it makes me bored. I think, other TFK albums are better.
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Rorro
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:35 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Rorro wrote:
I feel the same way, but if it's everybody's opinion....... .
I think that many reviewers tend to give them low ratings because thy're highly influenced by the 70's symphonic prog, i mean because they have no innovation.
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They have no innovation? You seriously believe this? |
No, in fact i think the oposite, i was just giving some arguments i heard of people who gives TFK low ratings, you misunderstood me.
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:39 |
I think other TFK albums are better too, but i liked it, at first it got me bored too, but then i started to like it, first Love Supreme and Driver's Seat, then the other songs.
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:41 |
Rorro wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Rorro wrote:
I feel the same way, but if it's everybody's opinion....... .
I think that many reviewers tend to give them low ratings because thy're highly influenced by the 70's symphonic prog, i mean because they have no innovation.
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They have no innovation? You seriously believe this? |
No, in fact i think the oposite, i was just giving some arguments i heard of people who gives TFK low ratings, you misunderstood me. |
Ok, thats cool.
Edited by Snow Dog - April 24 2006 at 10:54
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:41 |
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Adam & Eve is the only TFK album that I'm reluctant to listen to ... it just doesn't feel right. A solid album, but the usual chemistry between band members is missing IMO.
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:50 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Adam & Eve is the only TFK album that I'm reluctant to listen to ... it just doesn't feel right. A solid album, but the usual chemistry between band members is missing IMO. |
That's exactly what i thought the first five or six times i listened to it, but then i started to see the chemistry , but maybe i did some self hypnotisation ( i playde songs once and again and again) until i saw something that it isn't really there, hapenned before to me, but everyone sees different things about the same albums so,.., i don't know.
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Trickster F.
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:55 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
ivansfr0st wrote:
What exactly is their importance in the prog scene? Please explain.
-- Ivan |
They are one of the most popular bands and - together with Spock's Beard, Echolyn, Dream Theater etc - they are the door to the whole progressive music scene for many people.
Honestly, do you really believe that a mainstream rock music fan would be able to immediately get into the really experimental bands? Some would, but most of them would be alienated and never touch prog again with a ten foot pole.
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A band doesn't have to be all that over the top and experimental to appeal to a listener that hasn't been introduced to prog yet.
On the countrary, introducing someone to Progressive Music via TFK is both ironic and fatal - their chaotic songwriting that goes nowhere only intimidates the listener.
-- Ivan
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 11:01 |
ivansfr0st wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
ivansfr0st wrote:
What exactly is their importance in the prog scene? Please explain.
-- Ivan |
They are one of the most popular bands and - together with Spock's Beard, Echolyn, Dream Theater etc - they are the door to the whole progressive music scene for many people. Honestly, do you really believe that a mainstream rock music fan would be able to immediately get into the really experimental bands? Some would, but most of them would be alienated and never touch prog again with a ten foot pole. |
A band doesn't have to be all that over the top and experimental to appeal to a listener that hasn't been introduced to prog yet.
On the countrary, introducing someone to Progressive Music via TFK is both ironic and fatal - their chaotic songwriting that goes nowhere only intimidates the listener.
-- Ivan |
You have a somewhat extreme view regarding TFK ... that's ok, but you should respect that of others. And the overwhelming popularity of TFK in comparison to bands which are more "serious" and consistent (Anlagard comes to my mind) shows that very few people are being "intimidated" by them.
BTW: I've always seen this unpredictability as one of the really great things about TFK.
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Rorro
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 11:03 |
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I don't think at all that TFK's songwritting goes nowere
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Trickster F.
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 11:23 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
ivansfr0st wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
ivansfr0st wrote:
What exactly is their importance in the prog scene? Please explain.
-- Ivan |
They are one of the most popular bands and - together with Spock's Beard, Echolyn, Dream Theater etc - they are the door to the whole progressive music scene for many people. Honestly, do you really believe that a mainstream rock music fan would be able to immediately get into the really experimental bands? Some would, but most of them would be alienated and never touch prog again with a ten foot pole. |
A band doesn't have to be all that over the top and experimental to appeal to a listener that hasn't been introduced to prog yet.
On the countrary, introducing someone to Progressive Music via TFK is both ironic and fatal - their chaotic songwriting that goes nowhere only intimidates the listener.
-- Ivan |
You have a somewhat extreme view regarding TFK ... that's ok, but you should respect that of others. And the overwhelming popularity of TFK in comparison to bands which are more "serious" and consistent (Anlagard comes to my mind) shows that very few people are being "intimidated" by them.
BTW: I've always seen this unpredictability as one of the really great things about TFK.
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I don't really thrust my opinion on anybody, but I take pride in expressing it. In addition, from my point of view, unpredictibility is not neseccarily a bad thing... as long as it makes sense. I find TFK's music to be senseless myself.
-- Ivan
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 11:25 |
ivansfr0st wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
ivansfr0st wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
ivansfr0st wrote:
What exactly is their importance in the prog scene? Please explain.
-- Ivan |
They are one of the most popular bands and - together with Spock's Beard, Echolyn, Dream Theater etc - they are the door to the whole progressive music scene for many people. Honestly, do you really believe that a mainstream rock music fan would be able to immediately get into the really experimental bands? Some would, but most of them would be alienated and never touch prog again with a ten foot pole. |
A band doesn't have to be all that over the top and experimental to appeal to a listener that hasn't been introduced to prog yet.
On the countrary, introducing someone to Progressive Music via TFK is both ironic and fatal - their chaotic songwriting that goes nowhere only intimidates the listener.
-- Ivan |
You have a somewhat extreme view regarding TFK ... that's ok, but you should respect that of others. And the overwhelming popularity of TFK in comparison to bands which are more "serious" and consistent (Anlagard comes to my mind) shows that very few people are being "intimidated" by them.
BTW: I've always seen this unpredictability as one of the really great things about TFK.
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I don't really thrust my opinion on anybody, but I take pride in expressing it. In addition, from my point of view, unpredictibility is not neseccarily a bad thing... as long as it makes sense. I find TFK's music to be senseless myself.
-- Ivan |
I don't really understand. All music is senseless then.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 11:31 |
ivansfr0st wrote:
I don't really thrust my opinion on anybody, but I take pride in expressing it. In addition, from my point of view, unpredictibility is not neseccarily a bad thing... as long as it makes sense. I find TFK's music to be senseless myself.
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All I ask is that you give others the freedom to feel different. There are many controversial bands for which evidently opinion is very divided:
- Planet X
- Agalloch
- Therion
- The Flower Kings
- The Mars Volta
- Kayo Dot
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What I'm trying to say is: If you really don't like a band, write some negative reviews and state your opinion ... but maybe you shouldn't try to persuade people that you're right and they're wrong. I'm saying that from my own experience ... it's futile anyway, so why even try? Think about it: There are also bands which you love and many others don't like at all. Would you listen to someone who continually attacks your position?
Anyways, let's not argue too much about what we DON'T like. 
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