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Figglesnout
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
Topic: best form of govt Posted: March 03 2006 at 22:27 |
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i know a few are dated and i left soem out because they are endless and i didn't wanna make it huge. that's why the 'other' option is there. please explain yourself. as for me, i'll wait a while before i tell you my beliefs.
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BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Posted: March 03 2006 at 22:53 | ||
"democracy" and "republic" are not exclusive terms. there are republics that are democracies. Germany, for example
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Figglesnout
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
Posted: March 03 2006 at 23:38 | ||
well, i was usuing each like so: democracy has the three branches (basically the US govt) and republic as elected ambassadors end etc. a democracy without 3 specific branches. i find a huge flaw in democracies. it all depends on human value but, in a democracy the government is given too much power on the get-go--or else the US democracy wouldn't have ever become as corrupt as it is. there is the ability to, within the "constitution", change whatever officials don't like. it began as a well-meant system (in my opinion, and i'm only 16 so i doubt many people will take me seriously) and has deteriorated into a corrupt, limited (rights...), and politician controlled system. it annoys me to such a point that i already plan to move outside of the country as soon as i can. the only still barely intact is freedom of religion. perhaps i am young and dumb. who knows. still, all the better for people to answer this poll. educate me. |
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Atkingani
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
Posted: March 04 2006 at 09:31 | ||
Thomas Payne, one of the American revolutionaries (although he was English) once said: "all Government is a theft", maybe he inspired the anarchist Proudhon that said: "all property is a theft". Perhaps "anarchism", not anarchy, should be the future form of society organization, if we don't perish before reaching this status.
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BaldFriede
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261 |
Posted: March 04 2006 at 10:38 | ||
that's not the definition of them though. re·pub·lic P Pronunciation Key (r-pblk) n.
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Figglesnout
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
Posted: March 04 2006 at 13:54 | ||
yeah. that's not what they teach in the textbooks though. i should've known when they defined anarchy as "lawlessness and disorder" which it isn't at all. hold on and i'll look up teh definitions in my current tetbook. republic- supported in Rosseau's book The Social Contract, which states that the government should be ruled by the people, not the people by the government. democracy- a form of government which applies seperation of powers among the three branches of goverment; the executive, legislative, and judicial branches. This form of government met it's origins in Montesquieu's book The Spirit of the Law. so there you go. Textbook's suck i suppose.
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BaldFriede
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261 |
Posted: March 04 2006 at 14:14 | ||
Germany is both a republic and a democracy. The seperation of the 3 powers is part of the German constitution, and the word "republic" even appears in the full name of Germany, "Federal Republic of Germany". These two terms do not exclude each other at all.
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: March 04 2006 at 14:36 | ||
I do believe in Montesquieu's trias politica, even though I think that most democracies don't have that in a pure form. I think every political system has it's weak spots, but democracy seems to me the least harmful. I think one of the main dangers in democracy is that any idiot with charisma can become the nation's powerful man / woman. |
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Page to Squire
Forum Groupie Joined: December 03 2005 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 79 |
Posted: March 04 2006 at 14:37 | ||
republic=democracy. You cant have an undemocratic republic. But you can get democratically elected tyrannies.
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Figglesnout
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
Posted: March 04 2006 at 14:48 | ||
speaking of--how is germany's government? does it hold up well or what? |
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BaldFriede
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261 |
Posted: March 04 2006 at 16:18 | ||
In our opinion it sucks. The problem is: No matter whom we would have voted, it would still have sucked. Politicians all fail to see the real problems. Or if they do they don't see the real solution. Though it is not as if there are no solutions around; there are a lot of interesting models for solving the main problems. But they are all "utopian". No-one dares to make some real changes to the basic system. |
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: March 04 2006 at 16:52 | ||
It's interesting to find out how that comes. Trapped in a machinery, or power that corrupts, or you have to have a real strong personality as well as good ideas... In the '80's there were big protests in Holland against the use of nuclear power. The government offered a broad discussion for everyone. The protesters could choose: either they accepted the offer to participate in the organised discussion, or they didn't. If they did, they had to adapt themselves a bit to the discussion as presented by the government. If they didn't, they would keep their independence, but lose influence. It split the group of protesters eventually in two, and the discussion provided the nation with a big report, which collected dust on some peoples book shelves. Just an example to show how ideals can be transformed in the political machine. |
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Peace Frog
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 17 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 994 |
Posted: March 07 2006 at 11:13 | ||
Okay, government sucks and that is my opinion. I am against government, I don't like the concept of it, and I think it steals from citizens. It puts restrictions on our true opinions (well, those of us who are smart enough to have them), and it makes our society stricter and more angry towards those who have unconventional careers, drop out of school, etc. |
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Vompatti
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67407 |
Posted: March 07 2006 at 12:09 | ||
...but seriously, I really don't know. |
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Figglesnout
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
Posted: March 07 2006 at 14:36 | ||
i agree and voted anarchism. but i don't support anarchism because i know it would never work properly due to how corrupt our society has become. It would be impossible for a nation to be "governed" by the free will of teh population--lawlessness would never work now because people are too used to having laws. I think that as humans we should be able to take care of ourselves without being told how to do so, but unfortunately it has become impossible for that to occur. The reason I hid my views from thsi poll was because I was sure I'd get a telling off by someone who is older and who think i'm just trying to be a rebel. I'm not trying to be, it's just what I believe. I'm also an athiest but more on that some other day. I'm just waiting for my telling off... |
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video vertigo
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 17 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1930 |
Posted: March 07 2006 at 15:02 | ||
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" - Winston Churchill I voted for Tyranny Edited by video vertigo |
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Figglesnout
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
Posted: March 07 2006 at 20:18 | ||
any reason why? tyrannies can work well...it all depends. |
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Man With Hat
Collaborator Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166178 |
Posted: March 09 2006 at 18:45 | ||
I miss the good ol' days of fudelism (sp??)
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Bern
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: September 22 2005 Location: Québec Status: Offline Points: 11746 |
Posted: March 09 2006 at 19:07 | ||
I'm a knight and I live to serve my lord.
Feudalism it is! |
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Kord
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 329 |
Posted: June 17 2006 at 04:27 | ||
democracy could be the best....but I'm red!!!
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