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Equimanthorn
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Topic: Movie Scores Posted: January 08 2006 at 18:51 |
So i was visiting my house today and my mom decided to put on a movie
she saw on t.v. entitled " Nighthawks", a cheesy white man black man
cop movie starring Silvester Stallon and Billy Dee Williams, and i must
say i was a little interested from the start to see how a 80's movie
starring Rocky and Lando would ultimetly play out, but during the
beginning credits i was awstruck to see " Music by Keith Emerson"! Well
i couldn't quite finish the movie.. but it was very interesting hearing
Emerson step in to that field, there are many parts that you can
clearly hear him rippin' it up on the organ and piano. I would just
like to know if this has happened to anyone here? I am curious to hear
other scores by proggers, as i found this quite ammusing myself. Others
i can remember were Stanley Clarke on Undercover Brother, and Roll
Bounce ( Perhaps the worst movie of the year), and of course scores by
Vangelis. Please give me some feedback!
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richardh
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Posted: January 10 2006 at 20:55 |
You might be interested to know that Keith Emerson has recvently released all his film soundtrack music on 3 CD's (all remastered) called 'Emerson At The Movies'.He also worked on the Dario Argento film 'Inferno.On the subject of Proggers working on film soundtracks one of my favourites films is 'the Long Good Friday' and that features a soundtrack by Francis Monkman (ex Curved Air and Sky).You mention Vangelis who did my absolute favourite Blade Runner .Also check out Tangerine Dream's score on 'Risky Business' when thats on TV next..thats a good one!
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Paco Fox
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Posted: January 11 2006 at 03:41 |
A recurring post this one. Other examples:
- Mike Oldfield 'The Killing Fields'. David Bedford did the choral arrangements in this one, as well as in 'The Mission' and he compose the score for Sally Potter's 'Orlando'
- Not a movie score, but it usually mentioned 'Buffalo 66', which features some Yes, ELP and Crimson songs.
- Trevor Rabin has been very active since the 90s. He is pal with Hans Zimmer, whose music production company, 'Mediaventures' is like a factory of film composers. Rabin most famous scores are 'Armaggedon', 'Con Air' and 'National Treasure', among many other blockbusters.
- Tony Banks made some scores in the 80s: 'The Shout', 'The Wicked Lady', 'Quicksilver (that one featured a song sung by Fish I think) and another one I can't remember now.
- Of course, let's not forget Phil Collins song for 'Tarzan' and 'Brother Bear'.
- More Genesis: Peter Gabriel did a rather boring soundtrack for Scorsese's 'The Last Temptation of Christ'. And Anthony Phillips has done music for documentaries and a couple of TV Movies.
- Pink Floyd made 'Zabriskie Point' and a couple more I can't remember.
- I almost forget Rick Wakeman, who made 'Crimes of Passion' and 'Lizstomania' by Ken Russell and 'The Burning' and the soundtrack to a couple of sports movies, 'G'olé' and 'White Rock'. By the way, one of the most proggish 80's techno artists also made a very Wakeman-like soundtrack for Russell in the very strange film 'Gothic'.
I'm sure there are some more examples I can't recall now.
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Dragon Phoenix
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Posted: January 11 2006 at 03:45 |
Paco Fox wrote:
Peter Gabriel did a rather boring soundtrack for Scorsese's 'The Last Temptation of Christ'.
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Boring in your opinion.
He also did the scores for Birdy (rehashed instrumental versions of some of his best songs) and The long way home (IIRC).
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Bob Greece
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Posted: January 11 2006 at 04:08 |
Dragon Phoenix wrote:
Paco Fox wrote:
Peter Gabriel did a rather boring soundtrack for Scorsese's 'The Last Temptation of Christ'.
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Boring in your opinion.
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Yes, I used to have that on tape when it first came out and I listened to it a lot. It was very good, particularly as background music for reading a book to. I much prefer that soundtrack to Gabriel's commercial songs.
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Paco Fox
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Posted: January 11 2006 at 07:38 |
Dragon Phoenix wrote:
Paco Fox wrote:
Peter Gabriel did a rather boring soundtrack for Scorsese's 'The Last Temptation of Christ'.
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Boring in your opinion.
He also did the scores for Birdy (rehashed instrumental versions of some of his best songs) and The long way home (IIRC).
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Yes, I forgot about Birdy. 'The Long Way Home' is the Soundtrack to a film called 'Rabbit Proof Fence'.
The think about 'The Passion' is that, as other member said, can be good as background music, but many soundtrack fans I know just doesn't find it interesting, so I guess it's not for everybody. Anyway, one can't deny the influence of this work, specially in the soundtrack for 'The Passion of the Christ'.
It's just that I don't find it a CD I can listen all the way through.
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Rosescar
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Posted: January 11 2006 at 08:11 |
CAN - Soundtracks
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My music!
"THE AUDIENCE WERE generally drugged. (In Holland, always)." - Robert Fripp
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: January 11 2006 at 10:25 |
There are more interesting soundtracks by real
filmcomposers than those from proggers. Jerry Goldsmith had
some amazing scores, especially for the original "Planet of the
Apes", which is a very Straviskyan, raucous affair, and provides
far more alien ambience than the cheesy sets. Some of Danny
Elfman's scores for Tim Burton are also magical, like "Edward
Scissorhands", better than the film, also "To Die For". My
favorite new score is the one for "The Constant Gardener" by
Alberto Iglesias (no relation to Julio), who also composes for
Almodovar...it's a very progressive mix of African rhythms &
classical strings, gorgeous. Also, all of Bernard Hermann's
work, Alex North, Leonard Rosenmann...
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Paco Fox
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Posted: January 12 2006 at 03:40 |
RoyalJelly wrote:
There are more interesting soundtracks by real filmcomposers than those from proggers. Jerry Goldsmith had some amazing scores, especially for the original "Planet of the Apes", which is a very Straviskyan, raucous affair, and provides far more alien ambience than the cheesy sets. Some of Danny Elfman's scores for Tim Burton are also magical, like "Edward Scissorhands", better than the film, also "To Die For". My favorite new score is the one for "The Constant Gardener" by Alberto Iglesias (no relation to Julio), who also composes for Almodovar...it's a very progressive mix of African rhythms & classical strings, gorgeous. Also, all of Bernard Hermann's work, Alex North, Leonard Rosenmann... |
Soundtrack music, although can put off many listener because most of the time verges into incidental music that only makes sense with the film itself can be of interest for proggers. Now that you mention it, I realise it's strange that not that much proggers are into this genre too and vice versa. Of my prog friends, just one and myself are into film soundtracks, and just a bit. And of my film soundtrack fanatic friends (and I mean fanatic: Two of them are even coordinating a film music festival in Spain), I just know one who likes Mike Oldfield.
Anyway, soundtrack music is just so varied that most of proggers could give it a try. Avant garde or RIO fans really should listen to RoyalJelly recommendation, The Planet of the Apes. Dave Grusin has some very good jazz influenced soundtracks for those into jazz-prog. And so on...
If anyone wants to start in film music, some key authors of the genre:
- Sergei Prokofiev, specially Alexander Newsky
- Erich Wolfgang Korngold, specially The Adventures of Robin Hood
- Fank Wazman, specially 'The Bride of Frankenstein'
- Max Steiner, maybe with 'King Kong' or 'Gone with the Wind'
- Dimitri Tiomkin, specially... mmm... The Alamo
- Jerome Moross, specially The Big Country (covered by Yes in 'No opportunity...)
- Ennio Morricone, specially the works for Sergio Leone (covered by some prog groups now and then).(( By the way, I forgot another prog group doing soundtracks: Goblin, who made several Dario Argento films and an horde of very bad italian Z-grade movies.))
- Bernard Herrman, specially... really difficult here... Vertigo or Citizen Kane... or Psycho
- Elmer Bernstein, specially The Man with the golden arm
- George Deleure, specially Jules et Jim
- Jerry Goldsmith, specially 'Planet of the Apes' or, if you're not in the mood for music THAT difficult,
- Maurice Jarre, specially Lawrence of Arabia
- John Williams, specially Star Wars.
- Danny Elfman, specially Edward Scissorhands
- Hans Zimmer, specially Gladiator.
Of course, there are lots more (and some classic composers I forgot, like Alfred Newman), but I think these are the most representative of the various film music tendences through the decades.
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: January 12 2006 at 07:43 |
Yes, Morricone especially deserves mention. His ability to mix classical and avant-garde with rock styles is really uncanny. Some of the cuts on "Exorcist II" really are progressive rock, like "Magic and Ecstacy", which was given a great cover by Snakefinger in the early 80s. Also worth checking out is the album The Big Gundown, by John Zorn, where he covers and adapts Morricone, with such monster guests as Bill Frisell, Fred Frith and Marc Ribot.
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Syzygy
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Posted: January 12 2006 at 07:54 |
Some other prog (or related) soundtrack work:
- Vangelis - many soundtrack credits, Blade Runner is outstanding
- Tangerine Dream - again, many soundtrack credits. Chris Franke has apparently done a lot of soundtrack work for TV since he left.
- Irmin Schmidt (Can) - issued a 3 cd set of his soundtrack work - uneven, but CD 2 has some excellent material
- Popol Vuh - soundtracks to several Werner Herzog films
- Christian Vander (Magma) - Wurdah Itah was the soundtrack to a film version of Tristan et Iseult
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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
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chopper
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Posted: January 12 2006 at 08:02 |
Paco Fox wrote:
Anthony Phillips has done music for documentaries and a couple of TV Movies.
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He released the "Tarka" album, which did not get used as the film soundtrack in the end but is an excellent album nevertheless. You can just imagine the film whilst listening to it.
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Paco Fox
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 03:10 |
chopper wrote:
Paco Fox wrote:
Anthony Phillips has done music for documentaries and a couple of TV Movies.
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He released the "Tarka" album, which did not get used as the film soundtrack in the end but is an excellent album nevertheless. You can just imagine the film whilst listening to it.
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Some prog artist could do really amazing soundtrack work if they were given the chance. I specially thing Phillips and Andy Latimer coud be great. Sadly, most of the directors seem to be pop fans.
Ah! And another film composer I forgot that comes from prog is Richard Harvey. He was in Gryphon, and has made some very, very fine work in several english films.
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Starette
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 04:08 |
QUESTION! QUESTION! What's this Phil Collins 'Buster' that everyone keeps talking about??
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50 tonne angel falls to the earth...
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horza
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 05:21 |
Starette wrote:
QUESTION! QUESTION! What's this Phil Collins 'Buster' that everyone keeps talking about?? |
SHHHHHH!!
First rule of prog club - we do NOT discuss 'Buster'
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Paco Fox
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 04:26 |
Starette wrote:
QUESTION! QUESTION! What's this Phil Collins 'Buster' that everyone keeps talking about?? |
It's a film about a famous train heist that was starred by Phil Collins. He sang a couple of song for the Soundtrack, 'Two Hearts', wich was a hit and was nominated for an Oscar, and 'A groovy Kind of Love', wich I think is a cover.
The film itself is just so-so.
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