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    Posted: February 06 2025 at 18:29
Sorry if a similar question was asked recently. And I admit it's a very large question too.

Would you say that there are some general principles, criteria, patterns, behind what kind of music you will or will not like? Or is it just a subjective, esthetic, uncommunicable experience, that you only try to put into words afterwards, without your words being consistent from one judgement to the next one? Or does it depend on the genre (you'd like your prog to be thus, your folk to be thus, etc.)?

In case there are such principles, feel free to share them and discuss.

In my case, I'd say it's like this (the following mostly tackles prog):
1/ The song can be long or short, but there is more potential in long tracks, and as a matter of fact, half of my favorites are 10+ min long
2/ I rarely appreciate a prog song that follows a classic pattern, with verse, bridge, chorus... One of the things I enjoy with prog is its liberating from those shackles.
3/ I appreciate creativity, but I rarely appreciate songs that don't have some form of melodies, even very rhapsodic ones. - Actually, I particularly love when they get very rhapsodic, like Marillion's Ocean Cloud or Mike Oldfield's Ommadawn.
4/ I don't know that much still of prog, and if some music resembles some other style from earlier, like it's "just like PF" or something, I will barely notice if at all and I won't bother at all.
5/ I don't have a particularly ... "knowledged" ear, and as long as they don't impact my amateur esthetic experience, I will not disturbed by any "musical fauxpas"
6/ I particularly enjoy prolonged hold-and-release (I don't know what the exact musical concepts are), as in the live (with Scott Higham) version of Pendragon's Breaking the Spell for instance, as well as reprises of the (musical) theme in the end, as in for instance Airbag's Homecoming or Rick Miller's Don Quixote, it's like the homecoming in LOTR, there is a sense of homeness delivered by the song when it "returns to itself" at the end.
7/ Lyrics and theme are very important to me. I really dislike superficial lyrics, and I think that the lyrics, and the theme conveyed (not just the abstract music), are really crucial. Overall, I usually prefer bands and artists that venture more towards the fantasy, the fantastic, the imaginary, heroes, like Pendragon, Rick Miller do, even Mystery oftentimes, or Silhouette to some degree. Venturing towards the soul and the dark is fine as well (like what BelIeve, Porcupine Tree, or Riverside do, or even Moonrise in its own way), as long as it's not love songs (with a few exceptions, I generally don't like love songs at all).
8/ - And when a concept-album is really well made, it can hardly avoid being a 5-star to me.


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I hope not. A habit follows a rule, a taste is just what you like or dislike
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- I need to feel something
- The vocals need to sell it
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I guess the only "rule" I have is that when there are "growl" or other hardcore metal vocals in it, 99.9% of the time that renders the song unbearable for me.
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I am probably more in tune with what I don't like rather than what I do like. I don't like noise, long for the sake of long, pointless noodling, bad vocals and prog for the sake of prog. Also bands who think they are original but sound almost exactly like their influences.

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One I can think of right now is fondness of quality.
                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Hi,

I don't look at the arts as something that must have rules for appreciation ... it's just another person, and the only thing that makes it tough to enjoy and appreciation is our own set of idiocies and various bits and pieces we all grew up with ... though I am of the variety that does not like the socialistic style of music ... that is everyone is everybody else, dresses the same, plays the same combination of instruments, and looks the same and writes something that they imagine is "lyrics" and think themselves great ... and in the end ... it is so vacuous as to be very boring. Like commercial music ... !!!

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I was going to write "no, not at all", but I suppose...
Originally posted by IncogNeato IncogNeato wrote:

- I need to feel something
as well.
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For me it's simple: I value musical ability and inspired songwriting above anything else. Good production is always a plus, but other than that I'm open to a wide range of styles and genres. As a trivial example, I think I am one of very few users who had both SGM and BBT on their Aoty 2024 list.

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1. Balance. All aspects of the music/vocals need to be on equal footing. If it's all about the vocals, I turn it off. If the bass & percussion play a minor time-keeping roll, I turn it off. If the guitar or keys feel like they own the stage, I turn it off. Everyone needs to contribute. Solos are OK (even great!), just don't hog the stage for the duration of the piece.

2. Instrumental over Vocals. I prefer instrumentals, but if there are vocals, they need to be done as if they are another instrument in the band. Work with the band, not in spite of them. Vocals are not obligatory. You need an honest justification of why there are vocals at all.

3. Honest vocals. If the singer thinks they are the greatest vocalist on earth and fill their singing with runs and other vocal gymnastics or contrived emotions, I turn them off.

4. Skilled musicianship. If the band thinks they can hide their lack of musicianship and composition with noise, loudness, brashness, or randomness -- it's not working.

5. Lyrics. I prefer wordless vocals or nonsensical vocals over someone trying to "explain" the point of the song. If the words do make sense, I prefer they be about fantasies, dreams, unreal situations. Love songs, or politics, or anger about anything? I turn them off.

6. Composition. I don't like standard verse-chorus compositions. Dull and bland. I like diversity and surprise (but not randomness), and the change-ups should not derail the overall expression, emotion, or mental picture of the piece.

7. Timbre. The overall timbre of a piece should be warm, inviting, soothing or even intriguing or playful or thought-provoking or fantasy-inducing. But if it is harsh, brash, loud, or prickly, I turn it off.

These are all preferences as opposed to hard-and-fast rules, and they are mostly applied subconsciously. I can usually tell just by listening to several 5 second snippets of a track whether I will like it or not.
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My ears have to like it...
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I was going to write "no, not at all", but I suppose...
Originally posted by IncogNeato IncogNeato wrote:

- I need to feel something
as well.



This.


...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Nothing really, I have to connect with it, no idea what that means but I know it when I hear it. There are no rules.
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^^ This criterion manifests as the urge to listen to a release again. If you really like something you will want to listen to it repeatedly, given the proper circumstances (having time to do it). If you just "think" that it's awesome but you don't feel like listening to it again soon, that may be a hint by the intuitive part of your brain that you are "overthinking" the quality of the music.

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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Nothing really, I have to connect with it, no idea what that means but I know it when I hear it. There are no rules.

Agreed. But one can take a look at the releases that end up highest on the playlist/aoty lists. In my case it's musicianship and songwriting that feature most prominently, for others it might be different criteria or indeed it might be all over the place Smile
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^^ This criterion manifests as the urge to listen to a release again. If you really like something you will want to listen to it repeatedly, given the proper circumstances (having time to do it). If you just "think" that it's awesome but you don't feel like listening to it again soon, that may be a hint by the intuitive part of your brain that you are "overthinking" the quality of the music.


Great point.
...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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^ I fell into that trap a little bit too much during the last two weeks, which is why I have been modifying the AP polls so that play count is more visible. So I can take it into account when I refine the list. I'll stumble upon releases which I rated highly on first listen but did not feel the urge to listen to again. Then I usually take another listen and pay more attention to whether the music connects with me or not. 
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Much of my tastes have been described as atmospheric. As a child watching films with Jerry Goldsmith soundtracks was a huge influence on me in particular.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2025 at 08:15
Lyrics and vocals.

These have been brought up. Stating the obvious, they are very different things. For me, the vocals can be very important as I consider them just another instrument, a part of the sound palette. If they are high quality and pleasing, that helps the band a lot. 

On the other hand, the lyrics, what these folks are babbling on about, mean next to nothing to me, especially if they are political. If they are more toward abstract emotional environments or more uplifting in some way, they would be slightly more interesting to me. Generally though, I don't care what their opinions are. Music serves a very different purpose for me than lyrical content. Music nurtures, invigorates emotions, moves me on a different level. If I want lyrical content, opinions, or subject matter exploration, I'll read a book or listen to a speaker on said subject. I'm not looking to rock recordings for that content or experience.

I realize that sounds sacrilegious to those who consider music lyrics very important, and I say it not to insult anyone here. It's just my own feeling.


...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lights Faces Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2025 at 08:19
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^^ This criterion manifests as the urge to listen to a release again. If you really like something you will want to listen to it repeatedly, given the proper circumstances (having time to do it). If you just "think" that it's awesome but you don't feel like listening to it again soon, that may be a hint by the intuitive part of your brain that you are "overthinking" the quality of the music.
Good point,
but then, what if your favorites are one of the early Mike Oldfield's, or Transatlantic's the Whirlwind (the 72 min song-album)? LOL

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