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    Posted: July 30 2004 at 19:45

I like "Lucky Man" but I know many ELP fans who don't.

"You're Gone" certainly doesn't reflect Marillion's best attributes.

"My Ding-a-ling" was Chuck Berry's biggest hit.

Quite a lot of non-characteristic songs have been released as singles, or even added to albums at the last minute- often in an attempt to hook the mainstream listener. Which singles (or even 'signature' songs) do you feel paint an inaccurate portrait of their respective bands?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2004 at 21:21

Even tho I understand that Yes had out a few singles in the UK before Fragile.. I believe their first single out in the States was Roundabout... not really an accurate picture of Yes.

The funny thing about Lucky Man is that it is very typical ELP.  It was part of their winning formula... a few instrumentals... some heavy keyboards..with some deep lyrics... one beautiful GL ballad.. and a comedy song...  Keith Emerson use to rag on "Lucky Man" all the time.. and yet now with his own band.. and minus Greg... he's still playing it...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2004 at 21:23
Oh and Elvis recorded just as many christian songs as he did rock... now hymns just don't seem very Elvis to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2004 at 21:58
don't forget, Elvis had that southern country gospel tradition behind him- but Elvis singing Hawaiian songs is truly surreal
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2004 at 22:37

I don't really pay attention to singles, but Owner of a Lonely Heart really didn't reflect the Yes band.... none of the Rabin era represented Yes.

 Just something about "singles" and "prog" that doesn't really click. The idea of a single is a three minute tune to be played on the radio as filler for the important commercials which fulfill and satisfy all those needs we have. A single is the antithesis of progressive music, right?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2004 at 23:42

 

"A single is the antithesis of progressive music, right?" Not necessarily... what about 'Wondrous Stories' by Yes, or 'Limelight' by Rush, 'House of the King' by Focus?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2004 at 23:48
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 02:48
Was Kayleigh and Pull me Under an accurate picture of Marillion and Dream Theater at the time?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 03:33

I agree with Three Fates about Lucky Man - it has many recognisable ELP elements

Others:

I know What I Like - Genesis (the very beginning of Genesis doing 'pop'??) 

Catfood - King Crimson (too humurous for Crimson!)

Stairway To Heaven - Led Zep (this track is a bit of a 'yawn' to me!)

Fanfare For The Common Man - ELP (one tempo for the whole track - not usual for ELP!)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 03:34
Singles are a "Most Representative" of a bands accomplishments..... Especially of the forum herein..... Progressive Rock !!!!!!!!!   Does not everyone want to be successful ??????? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 04:28

The Strawbs biggest hit was "Part of the Union", which was totally unrepresentative of their sound. It wasn't even Dave Cousins singing on it! Hudson Ford, who were the guilty parties went on to have sucess as a duet, then transformed into the Monks, and hit the charts again with "Nice legs, shame about the face". LOL

I always felt Uruah Heep tried too ahrd to find a hit single. Tracks like "Somehting or nothing" and "Prima donna" were blatantly commercial, and not really representative of their best work.

Curved Air's "Back Street Luv" was a good single, but once again, did not represent their work well. Can't have been a "bad" choice though, it was a huge hit!

Prior to "Lady in red", Chris De Burgh had buit up a soild reputation, touring in support of Supertramp and releasing haighly rated albums like "Spanish Train and other short stories". He may have had a massive hit, but he lost all the credibility he ha agined with that one single. (John Denver is a similar story with "Annie's song").

Rick Wakeman released a single called "I'm so stright I'm a weirdo", and Yes the song is as bad as the title.Confused

Also ran - "Hi ho silver lining" -Jeff Beck, "Disco Boy" - Frank Zappa, "The laughing gnome" - David Bowie

I guess if a single's a hit, it can't have been a "bad" choice as such, as the main aim of singles is to broaden awareness of the artist. Bad choices are the ones which aren't hits.LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 09:57
Led Zep never had a bad choice of single release in the UK - they never released one!!LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 11:10
A single represents the intention to be on the radio for masses, through a simple and basic song. Valid point, and what a surprise after buy! (Imagine some guy who likes melodic pop in '70s buying -i.e.- ELP's BSS cause he heard "Still... You Turn Me On").   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 11:20

Originally posted by Marcelo Marcelo wrote:

A single represents the intention to be on the radio for masses, through a simple and basic song. Valid point, and what a surprise after buy! (Imagine some guy who likes melodic pop in '70s buying -i.e.- ELP's BSS cause he heard "Still... You Turn Me On").   

Actually he probably would have loved it... Its the guy who bought the first ELP album after listening to Lucky Man... and then hearing "The Three Fates".  That beginning organ solo even scared me the first time...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 23:04

All:

While I agree with "Lucky Man," "Owner of a Lonely Heart," and, especially, "I Know What I Like," I'd have to add "Roundabout" (as good as it is, it is not really representative of extreme complexity of most of Yes' music), "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" (same comment) and "Nights in White Satin" (same comment).  I'm sure I'll think of others.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2004 at 13:08

I'll go by the other side:

Twilight Allehouse and Happy the Man were two hit singles released by Genesis:

Happy the Man was an A side (and not B side as many people believed) with Seven Stones as B side.

Twilight Alehouse was B side of I Know What I Like.

Both songs deserved to be part of an album because have more quality than More Fool Me, For Absent Friends and IMHO even than I Know What I Like.

So both were bad choices for hit singles when really deserved to be part of an album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2004 at 03:20
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I always felt Uriah Heep tried too hard to find a hit single. Tracks like "Something or nothing" and "Prima donna" were blatantly commercial, and not really representative of their best work.


And let's not forget the truly horrible 'on the rebound' from 'Abominog': '80's pop rock at its worst - and from Uriah Heep!

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned 'Another brick in the wall' - Pink Floyd's surprise number one single; even on the album it stood out like a sore thumb; I can only guess this was Waters's ironic, yet cynical attempt at a hit single.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2004 at 19:13
I disslike singles altogether but i'll push that aside.

I think "Soon" by Yes was a bad single because on its own it doesnt seem that great but when you hear it as part of "Gates of Delirium" it sounds really good and fits in after the guitar/keyboard battle mellows out and jon sings this heartwarming piece. It doesn't have much impact on its own but it was amazingly approprietly placed in GOD.

Same with "Total Mass Retain", it didnt show off much greatness of the masterpiece "Close to the Edge" at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 06:59

 Too Funny

Originally posted by Useful_Idiot Useful_Idiot wrote:

Radiohead - Creep

Ahh - the irony!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 07:10

Both "Kayleigh" and "Lavender" have suffered horribly after being released and over-played as singles. As part of the concept of "Misplaced Childhood", both work very well, but out of context they become horrible FM Radio MOR ballads and thus end up tarnished.

It's a bit like having only heard one part of one movement from a single concerto of Vivaldi's 4 Seasons over and over again (I hate those phone systems for that!) - you could soon start thinking that Vivaldi is boring. However, in context, the 4 Seasons suite (of 4 complete 3-movement concerti) is very exciting, a dramatic example of programme music (music written to express something specific as opposed to simply "Concerto for Violin in G Major"), and hence the earliest piece of prog imaginable.

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