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    Posted: June 19 2023 at 04:58
Hi, 

I'm new here, so forgive me if this question has been asked endlessly. Tongue

I was wondering if anyone could recommend modern bands whose recordings have the same warmth as 70s prog rock bands. 

Not sure if it was recording on tape, the amps, the quality of the players etc. but the classic 70s recordings just have a sound that I love. 

I like modern prog. However, most of the famous bands just sound bland to me on studio recordings. There's no air, warmth, depth to the recording IMO

Particularly love hearing them on roadtrips and on early mornings LOL 

Genesis, Jethro Tull, Rush, Yes, Focus... Yeah, love that stuff. 

Would be thankful for any suggestion. 


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That's not an easy matter, but my best suggestions across the different subgenres are:

      Amarok  (ESP)  -  Sol De Medianoche  (2007)

Ciccada  (GR)  -  A Child In The Mirror  (2010)

Cold Fairyland  (China)  -  Seeds On The Ground  (2007)

Green Carnation  (N)  -  The Acoustic Verses  (2006)

Hypnos 69  (B)  -  Legacy  (2010)

Lunatic Soul  (PL)  -  Lunatic Soul  (2008)

Naxatras  (Gre)  - Naxatras  (2015)

Opeth  (S)  -  Damnation  (2003)

OSI  (USA)  -  Office Of Strategic Influence   (2003)

Riverside  (PL)  -  Out Of Myself   (2003)

White Willow  (N)  -  Sacrament   (2000)

Xing Sa  (F)  -  Creation De L’univers  (2010)
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You answered your own question. Analog recordings are different sounding than digital and won't have the "warmth" you mentioned. The tape created that warmth. Here are some modern bands that are sonically pleasing to me.

Helmet of Gnats
Big Big Train
Thieves' Kitchen
Antoine Fafard
Sanguine Hum
Dewa Budjana
Echolyn
Hiromi
Ske
Steven Wilson
Izz
Simon Phillips
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Ah, thanks so much! Tbh, I think I know only Opeth and Naxatras from that list. Willing to give Opeth another shot. 
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That's wicked. Thanks!

I think I only know Steven Wilson and have heard his remixes of classic prog albums. Not much a fan of his own work or Porcupine, but glad to check it out with an open mind. 

Would love to hear him do The Police or classic AC/DC albums. Hehe. 

Really appreciate it!


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^^^ That' not necessarily correct. The "warmth" comes from harmonic distortion. The modern digital recording technologies simply capture the audio accurately. The artists can decide how much warmth they want, by choosing their instruments/amps and so forth.

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^I have yet to hear a miked acoustic drum set recorded digitally to sound like does on tape. Sure, they can sound fantastic, but the tape added something to drums that you can't achieve with plug-ins.
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Originally posted by GoldenNoseSlim GoldenNoseSlim wrote:

Hi, 
...
Not sure if it was recording on tape, the amps, the quality of the players etc. but the classic 70s recordings just have a sound that I love. 
...

Hi,

Welcome to the board.

I'm not sure, or convinced that the "tape", the "amps" and everything else, had anything to do with it ... we don't go around saying that Mozart, Beethoven and Bach is better today, than it ever was ... which is likely given that most places these days know acoustics a lot better than the simple living rooms and places on royal courts.

In general, all arts, change a wee bit, but the quality of the work continues and for us to think that one era is better because of the tape is ... strange to me ... what we're really saying is that we're bored with a lot of the music that is coming out today, and the fact that it is repetitious, and formatted, and badly designed, and in some cases, it has as much innovation, as you can find .... errrr ... in a toilet? Wink

The one thing that was "around" in those days, was the desire and ability to express yourself and do something different. With the Internet, today, too many folks are looking for "attention" instead of concentrating in their own work, and the result is ... a very bad loss of the feelings that you are looking for.

Hopefully, it all comes around, but what came about with "progressive music" was the aftermath of a terrific artistic scene, and today, there is no artistic scene to discuss that is helping provide so much new art ... and this is, in many ways, what you are looking for and might not necessarily see it.

The whole experimental and progressive side of things is gone. The Internet, and the FAN are a serious problem, because they like their "hits" and they do not want to see something new or different, in a manner of speaking, and this takes away the quality that you want to see and find. BUT, that music that you are looking for is out there, but simply not found in the same bands you are looking for, and you will have to expand your palate to find a few things out there that are far out, and have that feeling ... and it ain't the same thing that is normally found and discussed in many places ... it's kinda like "the undergrounds" as it was known in the old days.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^I have yet to hear a miked acoustic drum set recorded digitally to sound like does on tape. Sure, they can sound fantastic, but the tape added something to drums that you can't achieve with plug-ins.

Hi,

I don't think you are going to find it anymore, when so much of the new drumming sound is the electronic pads and stuff, and anyone with a regular old drumming set, is probably not going to be in your band very long, unless he is spectacular and special, and given that most of them can only do 4 count and hit the snare drum, the ability to make it "quality" is ... basically ... superfluous!

The time will come when someone else will do a digital drum set and make an old drummer look rather ... OLD ... in their design and set. It is the history of the arts, and us thinking that this or that is safe, and better, is a bit on the silly side, and just a factor or two that we seem to like, rather than a reality ... the fact of the matter was that the music itself HAD THE WARMTH, and it had less to do with the tape, than the music itself.

It's the SOURCE that is the reason, not what is "after" the source.
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I've a bit of experience with recording, but have not really managed that sort of sound yet if I'm honest. 
Do you mean that you have a better chance of achieving that sound using older gear, analog equipment etc. Genuinely interested.  


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Oh, I get that. 

Although that sounds like something new bands might not do because of the cost, right? I've played on a few DYI efforts and, unfortunately, the idea of live drums was usually shelved :(
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

The modern digital recording technologies simply capture the audio accurately.

I guess not many audiophiles would say that today. Wink
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Originally posted by GoldenNoseSlim GoldenNoseSlim wrote:

Oh, I get that. 

Although that sounds like something new bands might not do because of the cost, right? I've played on a few DYI efforts and, unfortunately, the idea of live drums was usually shelved :(

Hi,

You might actually have hit it on the head. In those days, just about everything was done in the studio ... and thus the ability to make it sound better is easier ... nowadays, we work off the DAW and what we recorded into it, and I'm not sure that the quality ... studio wise ... that you are looking for is there, since the studio has special sound walls and items that are used to help clean up the sound more than we do within a home environment, or even in a garage.

But as you already mentioned ... drums shelved ... and yeah, not a surprise since the majority of folks can only hit the snare drum and not use the rest of the drum set. And then they think of themselves as "masters" if they can manage to get 8 hits in time, and then maybe 16 touches in time! good mathematicians in my book, but not quite good music "keepers" as I like to say ... 

Some of this is noticeable ... for example, in SW's latest PT album ... when/where you can easily tell the parts that were mailed around, and done at home, that were kinda mixed in well, but the feeling of the warmth and touch that you talk about, is nowhere to be seen ... I find that last album more "clinical" and "surgical" than anything else ... but not an "artistic" achievement at all!


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The new Ring Van Mobius album sounds like it could've easily been created in the 70s
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

The modern digital recording technologies simply capture the audio accurately.
I guess not many audiophiles would say that today. Wink


Or maybe some of us like the tortured old sounds of rock as it was meant to be heard.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

The modern digital recording technologies simply capture the audio accurately.

I guess not many audiophiles would say that today. Wink

The science-based ones do. It's like Grumpyprogfan says: "the tape added the warmth". All these "audiophiles" who prefer the old, warm-sounding recordings are not really audiophile in the true sense of the word, meaning that the audio signal needs to be preserved as accurately as possible. Rather, they prefer a specific type of sound that the imperfect recording equipment of the 70s created (the technical term is harmonic distortion).

And I agree - those records sound great, while many modern recordings sound "cold". And of course compressing the dynamic range (aka the loudness wars) adds to the problem. But the accuracy of the recording is not the issue - if anything, modern technology captures things too accurately.


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BTW:Here's a list of all studio albums currently tagged as retro prog rock at TYM.
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As far as current releases go, a favorite of mine from 2023 is this release by Zopp: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77524
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

BTW:Here's a list of all studio albums currently tagged as retro prog rock at TYM.



Don't really think of any of those Dream Theater, Spock Beard, Opeth albums as retro, guess that's the perils of tagging.
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