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    Posted: October 14 2005 at 04:13

Here is the challenge. Get your calculators, open your XL worksheets.

You are the commercial manager of Genesis and you are about to create a best of the 70s from Genesis, but your record company only want 1 cd of maximum 75 minutes.

Do you include Suppers- Ready and spent 23 minutes of valuable time?
Or don't you and skip one of the beauties from the 70s from Genesis?

Which songs do you take?

Note: From Trespass to And Then There Were Three.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 04:39

A cheap Compilation: Genesis Greatest Hits 1970-78

1. I know what I like

2. Suppers Ready

3. Watchers of the Skies

4. The Knife

5. Follow You Follow Me

6. In Your own special way

um thats it cheap cd

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 04:41
OK then so as Genesis' commercial mangler(sic)  I'd look to cover the spread of albums and a selection of the best known tracks - not necessarily 75 minutes of my favourite music (otherwise you'd end up with mostly SEBTP and a bit)

The decision is No, I wouldn't devote 23+ minutes to Supper's Ready, also because if I'm trying to flog the album to non-Genesis types, that length of track may put them off. However, although I am a money grabbing so and so, I decide to stop short of just chucking in all the shorter, better known (to the general public) tracks like "I Know What I Like" and "Trick of the Tail". I try to give a spread of what Genesis is - or were - about.

So here we go:

Musical Box - 10.24
Watcher of the Skies - 7.20
Dancing with the Moonlight Knight - 8.01
Firth of Fifth - 9.34
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway - 4.50
The Carpet Crawlers - 5.15
Mad Man Moon - 7.35
Dance/Los Endos ("Seconds Out") - 11.39
Blood on the Rooftops - 5.27
Deep in the Motherlode - 5.20

Which comes in at around the 75 minute mark. I might re-order tracks to make say, Dance/Los Endos the last track as a suitable finale, and balance ballads between other tracks.

Nice cover with artwork that harks back to their glory days. Booklet which gives interviews with band members, photo's, and has some critical praise for what they did, bit like the Rhino re-releases of "Yes" albums.

Sit back and wait for the royalties to roll in...............


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 04:52
Here's my attempt:

I started off taking one track from each album

The Knife (because it's the only track from Trespass that I know)
The Musical Box (I don't have Nursery Cryme either )
Supper's Ready (on a best of Genesis, you cannot leave this one out)
Dancing With the Moonlit Knight (mainly because it wasn't on The Platinum Collection)
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (I've only heard the Lamb a few times, and this was the first song that came to mind)
Squonk (for the same reason as Dancing...)
Afterglow (yet another Genesis album I need to get)
Undertow (ditto)

That left me with 5 minutes and 14 seconds, so as a final song I chose "The Carpet Crawlers" (it takes the total length to 75:01, but I'm sure that would be OK).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 04:59

White Mountain 6:42
The Return of the Giant Hogweed 8:10
Supper's Ready 22:53
The Knife (Live) 9:46
Dancing With the Moonlit Knight 8:01
In the Cage 8:15
Dance on a Volcano 5:53
Eleventh Earl of Mar 7:41

Summa Summarum: 77:21

I wanted the core studio albums covered with one track each and one live track included. Just fits on one CD.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 05:17

White Mountain
Fountain of Sam Marcis
Can Utility & the Coastliners
Suppers Ready
Firth of Fifth
In the Cage
Dance on a Volcano
Blood on the rooftops
Burning Rope

77.29 minutes. I'm sure it could be squeezed onto one CD..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 05:23

 Interesting question. My basic principle is to choose good and various kinds of tracks (not necessarily best-known) from all albums '70-'78. Here's my choice in chronological order which wouldn't be final order. And I'll be quick now; deeper thinking would surely change my list.

Looking For Someone
Harold The Barrell
Fountain of Salmacis
Watcher of the Skies
Firth of Fifth
Carpet Crawlers
Lilywhite Lilith
The Squonk
Los Endos
Blood on the Rooftops
Lady Lies

... does that make around 75-78 minutes? If there's room left, I give away to populism and include 'I Know What I Like'... Or I would change some titles in order to get a right length.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 05:25

Hmmm, this is more difficult then I sought.

I would prefer to have a song form every album, but that is not possible if you include Suppers Ready. So no And Then There were Three. That album fits better in the best of the 80s.
No Wind and Wuthering as well....

The Knife
Firth of Fifth
The Musical Box
Squonk
Harold the Barrel
Suppers Ready
Carpet Crawl
In the Cage

 


 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 05:33
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

sure it could be squeezed onto one CD..

No, Phil just fired you.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 07:56
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

White MountainFountain of Sam MarcisCan Utility & the CoastlinersSuppers ReadyFirth of FifthIn the CageDance on a VolcanoBlood on the rooftopsBurning Rope


77.29 minutes. I'm sure it could be squeezed onto one CD..


80:04 is about average, I think. But the guidlines did say 75
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 07:59
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

White MountainFountain of Sam MarcisCan Utility & the CoastlinersSuppers ReadyFirth of FifthIn the CageDance on a VolcanoBlood on the rooftopsBurning Rope


77.29 minutes. I'm sure it could be squeezed onto one CD..


80:04 is about average, I think. But the guidlines did say 75

Bollox to the guidelines. I'm a tough and uncompromising band manager. The music industry shudders at the mere mention of my name...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 08:17

Lots of songs ... but just fits I think ... picked a few "short faves" from the Gabriel era like Anyway, Time Table and Seven Stones ... here goes

1. Dancing With The Moonlight Knight
2. Visions Of Angels
3. Seven Stones
4. Anyway
5. Firth of Fifth
6. Time Table
7. In The Cage
8. The Knife
9. Can Utility And The Coastliners
10. The Musical Box
11. Mad Man Moon
12. Blood on the Rooftops
13. The Lady Lies

I actually did this once for a friend (well, Gabriel-era tracks on a 90 minute tape, with Supper's Ready though) ... I remember I used three songs from the first album phase (Am I Very Wrong, The Conqueror and That's Me) to kick things off ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 09:08
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

White MountainFountain of Sam MarcisCan Utility & the CoastlinersSuppers ReadyFirth of FifthIn the CageDance on a VolcanoBlood on the rooftopsBurning Rope


77.29 minutes. I'm sure it could be squeezed onto one CD..


80:04 is about average, I think. But the guidlines did say 75

Bollox to the guidelines. I'm a tough and uncompromising band manager. The music industry shudders at the mere mention of my name...

Phil C. just called Tony B. to discuss your severant payment. Judging the type of negligence I think it will be about the amount of royalties Genesis earned from the single The Waiting Room from The Lamb.

BTW shuddering is bad for the acoustics. So the music industry does not like shuddering.

Good list, despite the somewhat Collings-era song Burning Rope.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 09:28
Originally posted by Trotsky Trotsky wrote:

Lots of songs ... but just fits I think ... picked a few "short faves" from the Gabriel era like Anyway, Time Table and Seven Stones ... here goes

1. Dancing With The Moonlight Knight
2. Visions Of Angels
3. Seven Stones
4. Anyway
5. Firth of Fifth
6. Time Table
7. In The Cage
8. The Knife
9. Can Utility And The Coastliners
10. The Musical Box
11. Mad Man Moon
12. Blood on the Rooftops
13. The Lady Lies

I actually did this once for a friend (well, Gabriel-era tracks on a 90 minute tape, with Supper's Ready though) ... I remember I used three songs from the first album phase (Am I Very Wrong, The Conqueror and That's Me) to kick things off ...

EEEENNGGG! O dear, there goes the buzzer.

Sorry, Trotsky, you have overrun the 75 minutes. Without Anyway and The Lady Lies (I couldn't find so fast their lenght) you are exactly at 75 minutes, so with them ....

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 10:04
Originally posted by Trotsky Trotsky wrote:

Lots of songs ... but just fits I think ... picked a few "short faves" from the Gabriel era like Anyway, Time Table and Seven Stones ... here goes

1. Dancing With The Moonlight Knight
2. Visions Of Angels
3. Seven Stones
4. Anyway
5. Firth of Fifth
6. Time Table
7. In The Cage
8. The Knife
9. Can Utility And The Coastliners
10. The Musical Box
11. Mad Man Moon
12. Blood on the Rooftops
13. The Lady Lies

I actually did this once for a friend (well, Gabriel-era tracks on a 90 minute tape, with Supper's Ready though) ... I remember I used three songs from the first album phase (Am I Very Wrong, The Conqueror and That's Me) to kick things off ...

This is the first time I see someone mention Can utility and the coastliners ! This track is way underrated ; why that one hasn't become a concert classic I wouldn't know !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 10:26
  • The Conqueror (3:40)
  • Stagnation  (8:48)
  • The Musical Box  (10:24)
  • Supper's ready  (22:52)
  • Dancing with the moonlit knight  (8:01)
  • After the ordeal  (4:12)
  • In the cage  (8:15)
  • Dance on a volcano  (5:53)

               72 minutes, 6 seconds

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 11:15
Originally posted by pepolo pepolo wrote:

  • The Conqueror (3:40)
  • Stagnation  (8:48)
  • The Musical Box  (10:24)
  • Supper's ready  (22:52)
  • Dancing with the moonlit knight  (8:01)
  • After the ordeal  (4:12)
  • In the cage  (8:15)
  • Dance on a volcano  (5:53)

               72 minutes, 6 seconds

You have cheated a bit with the Conqueror (being the 60s), but you suprised me with Stagnation and After the Ordeal. I can't remember what Stagnation is like. Must listen to Trespass more.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 11:20

OK, after some good atempts to make a song list, this is the summary/ the most chosen songs:

  • The Knife
  • The Musical Box
  • Supper's Ready
  • Dancing with the Moonlit knight
  • Firth of Fifth
  • In the Cage

Al together that is about 68 minutes. So there is room for one song more.
Perhaps it is a good idea that song to be Follow You Follow Me.
That increases the chance actually selling the album.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 11:24
Originally posted by Under Under wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

White MountainFountain of Sam MarcisCan Utility & the CoastlinersSuppers ReadyFirth of FifthIn the CageDance on a VolcanoBlood on the rooftopsBurning Rope


77.29 minutes. I'm sure it could be squeezed onto one CD..


80:04 is about average, I think. But the guidlines did say 75

Bollox to the guidelines. I'm a tough and uncompromising band manager. The music industry shudders at the mere mention of my name...

Phil C. just called Tony B. to discuss your severant payment. Judging the type of negligence I think it will be about the amount of royalties Genesis earned from the single The Waiting Room from The Lamb.

BTW shuddering is bad for the acoustics. So the music industry does not like shuddering.

Good list, despite the somewhat Collings-era song Burning Rope.

 

 

 The royalties from the Waiting Room should keep me in Cider for 10 minutes!

Burning Rope! Classic song!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 14:50
Impossible I say!
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