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    Posted: April 21 2022 at 13:42

I've seen not so little interest for various kind of Punk, so let's try a thread like this.

My own collection and list here include a bit of Proto-Punk, and listed in chronological order:


The Stooges  (USA)  -  Fun House   (Proto-, 1970)

Patti Smith Group  (USA)  -  Radio Ethiopia  (Proto-, 1976)

Sex Pistols  (UK)  -  Never Mind The Bollocks...  (Punk Rock, 1977)

Television  (USA)  -  Marquee Moon  (Art, 1977)

Pere Ubu  (USA)  -  The Modern Dance  (Post-/Art, 1978)

The Clash  (UK)  -  London Calling  (Punk Rock, 1979)      

Bauhaus  (UK)  -  In The Flat Field  (Gothic/Post-, 1980) 

Siouxsie and The Banshees  (UK)  -  Juju  (Gothic/Post-, 1981)

Before  (DK)  -  A Wish of Life  (Post-, 1982) 

Mission of Burma  (USA)  -  VS.  (Post-, 1982) 

Black Flag  (USA)  -  My War  (Hardcore, 1983)

Hüsker Dü  (USA)  -  Zen Arcade  (Hardcore, 1984) 

Dead Moon  (USA)  -  Unknown Passage  (Garage, 1989)

Fugazi  (USA)  -  Repeater  (Post-Hardcore, 1990)

Babes in Toyland  (USA)  -  Fontanelle  (Riot Grrrl, 1992)


plus a very fine compilation of the American Punk:

Various artists  (USA)  -  Let them eat Jellybeans! 17 Extracts

                                          from Americas  darker Side  (1981)       


Another thing good to mention is the very informative and well-written book about the American 

Pre-Punk, Proto-Punk, Punk Rock, Art Punk and Post-Punk in the years 1961-80,

From the Velvets to the Voidoids. A Pre-Punk History for a Post-Punk World (1993) by Clinton Heylin.

Okay, there we go punky! Big smile

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I've edited the thread title and my OP, so they now don't say "diverse Punk", as it seemed to cause some confusion.


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Dead Kennedys   "Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables"
Black Flag   "Damaged"
Circle Jerks   "Wild in the Streets"
early Meat Puppets
Germs   "Everything We Do is Secret"
Ramones   "Leave Home"
Iggy Pop
PIL "Metal Box"
Husker Du   "land Speed Record"
Angry Samoans "Back from Samoa"
The Dickies
DEVO    "Duty Now for the Future"
Green Day   "Dookie"
and more

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This is the fastest list reply I've seen, Easy Money, but I'd like to see some albums mentioned. Smile
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The Damned
Crass
Dead Kennedys
Sex Pistols
PiL
Killing Joke (maybe, maybe not punk)
The Exploited


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what is "diverse punk"? Confused
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

what is "diverse punk"? Confused

As for instance mentioned in my list. There're other sub-genres as well.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


The Stooges  (USA)  -  Fun House   (Proto-, 1970)

Patti Smith Group  (USA)  -  Radio Ethiopia  (Proto-, 1976)

Television  (USA)  -  Marquee Moon  (Art, 1977)

Pere Ubu  (USA)  -  The Modern Dance  (Post-/Art, 1978)

The Clash  (UK)  -  London Calling  (Punk, 1979)      



I would add:


MC5 - Kick Out The Jams

Police - Outlandos d'Amour

The Damned - Machine Gun Etiquette

Wire - Pink Flag

Ramones - Rocket to Russia

Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables

The Jam - The Gift (maybe not really punk anymore by that time)

Violent Femmes' debut album

Trust - Marche ou Crève

Téléphone - Crache Ton Venin

 



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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

what is "diverse punk"? Confused

Any favourites here, Cristi? Big smile
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Edited by Sean Trane - April 22 2022 at 06:32
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Loads of good stuff listed already!! 

Joy Division and The Fall would be rather obvious I think.

JMKE, Estonian punk band very much influenced by Dead Kennedys. Especially their first album is brilliant.


Jesus Lizard, Big Black, Melvins etc. 

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A few favorites off the top of my head:

Subhumans | From the Cradle to the Grave —- of special interest to prog fans is the sidelong multipart title track. The whole thing is amazing though. My favorite punk album hands down

Dead Kennedys | Plastic Surgery Disasters —- my 2nd fav

Also:
Minutemen | Double Nickels on the Dime (post/indie)
Wire | 154 (post-)
The Fall | This Nation’s Saving Grace (post-) —- really, any of their albums from 1980-86 could be here.
Television | Marquee Moon — not punk exactly but it was really its own thing at the time
Angry Samoans | Back from Samoa —- a motley crew of rock critics, math professors and borderline crazies make one of the funn(i)est hardcore records ever.
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This Heat - Deceit
Joy Division - Closer
Stiff Little Fingers - Inflammable Material
The Clash - Londons Calling
Devo - Are We Not Men?
Black Country New Road - For The First Time
Stranglers - No More Heroes
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I don't like much punk, but it seems I like a lot of non-punk that some people think is punk. Wink
Some examples: Killing Joke, PIL, Joy Division, Wire, Gang of Four, Comsat Angels,...
Here are some Germans (plus one Austrian):






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Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Subhumans | From the Cradle to the Grave —- of special interest to prog fans is the sidelong multipart title track. The whole thing is amazing though. My favorite punk album hands down

I better give it a listen. Smile
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I don't like much punk, but it seems I like a lot of non-punk that some people think is punk. Wink
Some examples: Killing Joke, PIL, Joy Division, Wire, Gang of Four, Comsat Angels,...
Here are some Germans (plus one Austrian)

It’s kind of hard to argue that bands described as post-punk are not punk. Just as post-rock bands are still rock, and post-metal bands are still metal, post-punk is still punk - just a different form of it. This is especially true when you consider that almost all the bands you mention, while now generally called post-punk, were initially part of a new wave of bands coming from and reading against the rawness and simplicity of the first wave of punk, and before one name was eventually agreed upon, were known as new punk, new wave, and art punk, and probably others, too. At the same time as the new wave was the so called no wave, also called avant punk. But new wave or no wave, art punk or avant punk, they all eventually became known as the vast, sprawling genre that is post-punk.

While “post” means after, it doesn’t mean it’s not part of the same lineage. Another example within the many punk sub-genres (of which post-prog is generally recognised as being) is post-hardcore. Both hardcore and post-hardcore are sub-genres of punk, and while the latter came “after” the former, post-hardcore is still a form of hardcore.

Pop punk is the sub-genre that to me seems and sounds often to have the least resemblance or point of comparison to the original punk scene. Post-prog is considerably closer to the original aesthetic than pop punk, to my ears. It may have more sophistication than the garage and pub rock sounds of the original wave of punk, but it is nowhere near as polished and commercial.

There has also always been a world of difference between the original UK and US punk scenes and sounds, that has carried on and over through time in both those countries. I really don’t know enough about the original punk scenes and sounds from countries other than the UK or US, but I guess I’ve always imagined that they tended to take after one or the other of those.

I think punk and prog cause very similar intransigence in the views of their fans and listeners, where a lot of punk or prog listeners seem anything that happened after the initial wave to not really be the real thing, or to judge everything against that original sound, and if it is not close enough, to not call it punk/prog.  So there are fans out there that like the classic punk/prog from the early days, and the retro punk/prog from today, but ignore any of the other sub-genres as being “not really punk/prog”.

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@Nick: I'm not too obsessed with label definitions really, even though I admit that my posting reads differently. The first sentence I wrote was fun to write, but I'm not too invested in it. I see it like that indeed, but to me it isn't very important whether others see it differently. At the time we (people around me and the media I followed) didn't count these bands into punk, rather they had taken up the punk influence to do something different. Also some musicians said so in interviews. For me personally punk is quite specific, not an overarching supercategory as prog, let alone rock. This was the attitude I got at the time, but I was quite young and my horizon may have been limited. At the end of the day there is not more objective truth in it than in what you say, so fair enough. Ultimately all music is what it is, whether it is called this or that is secondary.
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By the way, Comsat Angels can never be played too much.

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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Dead Kennedys   "Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables"
Black Flag   "Damaged"
Circle Jerks   "Wild in the Streets"
early Meat Puppets
Germs   "Everything We Do is Secret"
Ramones   "Leave Home"
Iggy Pop
PIL "Metal Box"
Husker Du   "land Speed Record"
Angry Samoans "Back from Samoa"
The Dickies
DEVO    "Duty Now for the Future"
Green Day   "Dookie"
and more

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Thanks for this little "Punk" discussion, as I've used it to clarify further my own point of view. It inspired me also to
have a closer look at the different sub-genres, which made me to discover a couple more albums in my collection
considered to be a part of "Punk", so my own list has grown a bit and to include more sub-genres - and I like that 
for the sake of diversity. Tongue
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