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Poll Question: What's your favorite out of these?
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    Posted: March 01 2021 at 11:15
10 more progressive metal bands, pick your favorite, vote and leave a comment. Tongue


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Vanden Plas! Because they got even better with and after Christ 0.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2021 at 11:22
Don't know many of these (so I won't vote) but...Green Carnation of the ones I do. 
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Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Don't know many of these (so I won't vote) but...Green Carnation of the ones I do. 

You can just vote for Green Carnation, no problem. Tongue
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OSI and Green Carnation are the only two I'm familiar with. Voted Green Carnation.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

OSI and Green Carnation are the only two I'm familiar with. Voted Green Carnation.

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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

OSI and Green Carnation are the only two I'm familiar with. Voted Green Carnation.


Ditto.

I'll add that Light of Day, Day of Darkness is the only Green Carnation album that I have heard.
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I’ve heard of them all, but have listened to only eight of them, and would really claim to be familiar with only five of them. But none of that really matters because Green Carnation is so far ahead of the rest of the pack. An easy vote for me.

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Ark, Vanden Plas and Circus Maximus and Mind´s Eye are a mixed bag for me now. I appreciated that kind of Style many years ago, but now don´t enjoy it.

I prefer bands like In The Woods..., Isis, Enslaved and Green Carnation of course, "Light Of Day, Day Of Darkness" its a masterpiece

I really like OSI too

Nightingale its one of the few projects of Dan Swano that i really dont like, and To Mera its interesting, but i dont lijke the voice Of Julia  
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None of these bands are that great IMHO.

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^ Interesting, I wonder then if I enjoyed Light of Day, Day of Darkness by Green Carnation so much because I haven't fully developed a taste for metal and thus my taste buds (or more aptly ear buds) lack the discernment and sophistication that comes with more knowledge and experience.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Interesting, I wonder then if I enjoyed Light of Day, Day of Darkness by Green Carnation so much because I haven't fully developed a taste for metal and thus my taste buds (or more aptly ear buds) lack the discernment and sophistication that comes with more knowledge and experience.

It's all preference, my friend! Every band on this list makes me want to listen to something else instead lol.

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OSI is a no-brainer out of these. (I don't know all)
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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

OSI is a no-brainer out of these. (I don't know all)

how is it a "no-brainer" (I can't stand this expression, it's like calling someone stupid in a quirky or funny way or something) when you don't know many of them... Ermm
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^Because I can hardly stand many of the modern prog metal bands, surprisingly or not. With the exception of bands like OSI, DT, Haken, Caligula's Horse (for the most part), FW, and some more, I find this one of the most 'regressive' sub-genres of prog.


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

OSI is a no-brainer out of these. (I don't know all)

how is it a "no-brainer" (I can't stand this expression, it's like calling someone stupid in a quirky or funny way or something) when you don't know many of them... Ermm

It was a no brainer for me, too. All the expression means is “I don’t even need to think about this to give an answer” - ie, I don’t need to use my brain. There’s nothing in the expression at all that calls someone stupid - and even if there were, it would only be self-detracting, because it describes one’s own brain. It seems you can’t stand this expression, because you misunderstand it. Hopefully this explanation is helpful without being patronising.

Some polls require a lot of thought to choose who to vote for. Often there are two or three that require considerable thought to choose between.

Other polls require no thought (brain) at all. The answer is immediate and obvious. No thought is necessary. It’s a no-brainer.

For me, this poll was a no-brainer, because GC is more consistently enjoyable for me than any other on this list. I didn’t even need to think about it. I pretty much said as much in my post somewhere above. The only difference is I didn’t use the expression “no brainer”. But it’s certainly an expression I have used before, and likely will again.

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Interesting, I wonder then if I enjoyed Light of Day, Day of Darkness by Green Carnation so much because I haven't fully developed a taste for metal and thus my taste buds (or more aptly ear buds) lack the discernment and sophistication that comes with more knowledge and experience.


It's all preference, my friend! Every band on this list makes me want to listen to something else instead lol.


Some preferences can carry more weight for me when they come from a place of greater knowledge and understanding. So sure, but I am much more ignorant when it comes to this than many others and therefore lack the kind of knowledge that would lead to more discernment (tastes commonly become more refined the more you become acquainted with a genre and of course one becomes more adept at making good comparisons and judging greatness the more one knows). Not all opinions are equal or as valid, some are more informed and better thought out than others. That is the only album I have heard out all of these, so I can't even compare it to other Green Carnation albums -- I don't know how the band is overall, I can only judge this album and not in a very knowledgeable way where I can compare it to lots of similar ones to judge the quality comparatively.

I was wondering about something similar earlier when I posted my first message in this topic but opted not to type it out. As I am not a Prog Metal fan, I would rather expect that those albums I would like in Prog Metal would not be as likely to be considered great albums by the Prog Metal cognoscente than albums chosen by those who have much greater knowledge and experience when it comes to such musical avenues. Mine is very uncultured and uninformed opinion. There's lots of music where I know too little of its ilk to even venture an opinion on the merits of the music.

Recently I watched a crime-drama film which I loved and I read the critics reviews which were mostly lukewarm at best. One of the complaints was that the film was derivative and full of clichés. It's not a style I have watched a lot of, so I wouldn't be comparing it to many others of the ilk. Those who better know that particular filmic species I think would be better able to judge the greatness. There is music and film that I know is not great but I still love, and music I love and dislike where I have no opinion on its greatness within the music pantheon. Might be great for me, but that's just a "I love it" commentary, not an estimation on its intrinsic quality.

I have become less concerned about how great music or art generally is and instead it's more about just how much I like it (good or bad, I don't care as much now as long as it's good for me). When I was in film studies I tried to build various models or frameworks for more objective analysis (at least to be more objective within the context of the framework) -- some of that is easy, and the frameworks themselves showed a kind of value bias. For instance, if a historical film, I generally valued an attempt at historical accuracy. Certain aesthetic qualities and standards of workmanship I valued etc. I tended to value a certain professionalism over ineptitude etc.

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

OSI is a no-brainer out of these. (I don't know all)

how is it a "no-brainer" (I can't stand this expression, it's like calling someone stupid in a quirky or funny way or something) when you don't know many of them... Ermm

It was a no brainer for me, too. All the expression means is “I don’t even need to think about this to give an answer” - ie, I don’t need to use my brain. There’s nothing in the expression at all that calls someone stupid - and even if there were, it would only be self-detracting, because it describes one’s own brain. It seems you can’t stand this expression, because you misunderstand it. Hopefully this explanation is helpful without being patronising.

Some polls require a lot of thought to choose who to vote for. Often there are two or three that require considerable thought to choose between.

Other polls require no thought (brain) at all. The answer is immediate and obvious. No thought is necessary. It’s a no-brainer.

For me, this poll was a no-brainer, because GC is more consistently enjoyable for me than any other on this list. I didn’t even need to think about it. I pretty much said as much in my post somewhere above. The only difference is I didn’t use the expression “no brainer”. But it’s certainly an expression I have used before, and likely will again.


ok then, then it a language misunderstanding and I was not called stupid. Embarrassed
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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

^Because I can hardly stand many of the modern prog metal bands, surprisingly or not. With the exception of bands like OSI, DT, Haken, Caligula's Horse (for the most part), FW, and some more, I find this one of the most 'regressive' sub-genres of prog.

I’m no great fan of prog metal, in general. It’s one of my least favourite genres as defined by PA. But as with any genre, there is still plenty to enjoy. Your post suggests more to me that you’re listening to only a small portion of prog metal to suggest it is one of the most “regressive” sub-genres of prog. Also, apart from it being “regressive” being subjective, it’s clearly not a factor in enjoyment. The most regressive bands in my mind (ie my own subjectivity) exist within the symphonic, neo, crossover and Canterbury genres in PA. And that doesn’t even mean they’re bad. Some might argue that Zopp and Wobbler are regressive, and they were the top two albums in this year’s collaborators list.

I also find it odd that you consider some of the bands you mention as exceptions of the regressive trend, as I know some people think some of them are treading the same old ground, rather than progressing. And, again, that doesn’t even matter, if that’s the sound you like.

I guess all I am saying is it can be kind of short-sighted to write off any genre of music, just because you’ve not yet found much that interests you. Most genres are far wider than most people realise, as they tend to listen to other bands and artists that sound similar to those they are already familiar with. It’s why I’m not a great fan of genres in general. But that’s another argument entirely! 🤪

Apologies if I have misinterpreted or misconstrued your post. I may very well have grasped the wrong end of the stick....

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Interesting, I wonder then if I enjoyed Light of Day, Day of Darkness by Green Carnation so much because I haven't fully developed a taste for metal and thus my taste buds (or more aptly ear buds) lack the discernment and sophistication that comes with more knowledge and experience.

It may very well be worth listening to again. It was the first GC I ever heard, and I was sold on it. Even the passages that a lot of people seem to have difficulty with, I love. There are definitely some passages that I imagine might have stretched the patience of whatever fan-base they had at the time, but I think were accepted because of the audacity of creating that album length track.

When it comes down to it, I probably prefer the song that Light of Day was developed from, on their previous album (which is probably also my favourite GC album), but there’s no getting away from what am achievement Light of Day was for the band. After all, even if the preceding album is my favourite, I’d never have heard of it if not for Light of Day. And I also was introduced to In The Woods from Light of Day, too. So I owe that song/album a lot. 🖤

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