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Umeda
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Recently I've received a recommendation to read this book made by George Orwell. I'd like to ask your opinion on it, through your vote casting. And if you recommend it, is there any book with similar content you would also recommend?
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moshkito
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Hi,
Hard to rate this ... in many ways it was important when the book came out, but as time went by, the book has become less and less valuable in many ways ... but it's still mandatory reading in many high schools, at least it was in my time, and some of my brothers and sisters. Since then, with the advent of video, film and multi media materials a book/play about this, kinda becomes a bit way behind its time, and will not be appreciated for what it meant at the time, and how it stood up for so long. Today, the materials that you can find in film, and even in the sci-fi area, are so much further ahead and away in ideas and thoughts that it makes this small book, look really poor by comparison. However, again, for its time, it was very good, and valuable ... Guess what we got today?
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A Crimson Mellotron
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It's a classic, absolutely essential reading that you will never ever forget!
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It rather depends on your tastebuds. It’s a very bleak and pessimistic book but likewise also extremely poignant...as the time passes on perhaps even more so.
If you have an affinity for stories about Utopia, and the opposite, then it is an essential read alongside Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, Island as well as Thomas More’s Utopia and the daddyo The Republic by Plato. The latter two titles are a little harder to get into..but once your brain wraps itself around the lingo, they open up beautifully imho. Edited by Guldbamsen - December 04 2020 at 06:13 |
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Yes you should read it.
I studied it at school for English Lit. and wrote an essay on visions of the future (it was still the future then!) based on this, Brave New World and A Clockwork Orange.
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Excellent book....a must in every cool readers' bookshelf ! .....and remember, yesterday's conspiracy theories are TODAY'S realities :):)
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Gentle and Giant
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Coincidentally, I've just started Brave New World by Aldous Huxley - often mentioned along with 1984.
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moshkito
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Hi, I would rather read Aldous Huxley than 1984 ... at least you learn something nice and valuable from him in terms of experience ... but in 1984/Orwell, I find it a bit ... off center, and sometimes towards the mean side of things, which is very sociological if you think about it ... but if we deal with sociological psychopaths, then I read "The Devils of Loudon".
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BaldJean
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you definitely should read it. and also Orwell's other classic "Animal Farm". other suggested reads are "Peace on Earth" and "Memoirs Found in a Bathtub" by Stanisław Lem. actually "Memoirs Found in a Bathtub" kind of reminds me of what is currently going on in the USA. and in "Animal Farm" Squealer reminds me of Mitch McConnell. and "War with the Newts" by Karel Čapek. Čapek is the writer who coined the word "robot" for his satirical play "R.U.R"
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I'm not a big reader but 1984 (and Animal Farm) are two of my favourite books. There are so many themes in 1984 especially that are relevant to today. I sometimes wonder how many people who watched the TV programmes Big Brother and Room 101 are aware of where those phrases come from.
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Logan
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I first read 1984 when i was 14, and I absolutely loved it. It's quite short and I've read it quite a few times since (though not for many years). I did an essay in school particularly on the 1984 party slogans "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
It's absolutely essential reading, I think, partially because it gets referenced so much. A faux reference I'd like make is to the companion film to Debbie Does Dallas called Do It To Julia. ;) The book is very much a part of me. A good friend of my parents knew Eric Arthur Blair (George Orwell) and wrote biographies on him. My parents knew so many interesting people, unlike me (forum company excepted). If you like it and haven't seen Brazil, I really suggest watching that film (as well as A Clockwork Orange even if that is different, it might appeal). I also love Orwell's Burmese Days. Some books I would recommend after 1984 are: Huxley's Brave New World (though I prefer his Utopia) Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 Kazuo Ishiguro's Never Let Me Go (a quite modern and brilliant novel) William Golding's Lord of the Flies Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid’s Tale (my favourite of hers is Oryx and Crake) And lots of Kurt Vonnegut and Philip K. Dick. |
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An excellent book.
I'm not sure how accurate this is, but apparently Orwell sent a copy to Aldous Huxley for review when it was first published. Huxley wrote back saying he enjoyed the book, but disagreed with Orwells vision of the future, saying that authoritarianism would more likely be achieved, slowly and gently over time, with the full but unwitting consent of the population, and in part would be achieved through medicating the population into quiet and grateful compliance, with most people loving their 'servitude' and not realising they were living in servitude at all. Edited by Blacksword - December 10 2020 at 02:46 |
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Good reading list. I'd add - Make Room!, Make Room! - Harry Harrison (basis for the film Soylent Green) The City & The Stars - Arthur C. Clarke Anything by Michael Moorcock
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More dystopias (it's never enough!):
J.G. Ballard (short stories): The Watch-Towers Cronopolis H.G. Wells: The Time Machine Enjoy! |
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I enjoyed Ballards's High Rise. Quite a good film too. |
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Logan
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^ High Rise is a good fbook, and I loved the film. The movie Snowpiercer has a somewhat similar sort of class struggle, and the Doctor Who episodes de Paradise Towers seemed very High Rise inspired. Ooh, it’s a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll.
As for Ronstein’s choices, I love Moorcock, although I may get some queer looks if I proclaim that in public. |
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Ah, a fellow Dancer at the End of Time.... your secret is safe with me
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Farenheit 451 is an important book to me; Bradbury's style doesnt appeal to everyone but i think it is an apt reflection on todays media obsessions and addictions and willingness to give up and vilify culture for easy entertainment and a comfortable but numb, unthinking life.
The Novella, 'The Machine stops' by E M Forster deserves a mention as do 'The left hand of darkness' and 'The Dispossessed ' by Ursula le Guin. For a bizarre, dystopian read (in the Michael Moorcock vein) 'The Text of Festival' by counter culture hoodoo and 'Deviant' Mick Farren.
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I've had the book for years, just haven't read it. 99% of what I read is biography. I was just thinking about the book yesterday, because I see it come full circle. Those were against censorship now seem to support it, and vice-versa. I guess I don't see how valuable it would be to read it when I can see this dystopia right in front of my eyes.
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