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    Posted: March 25 2016 at 05:12
I am talking strong classical influences. For example, I am aware of strong classical element in Genesis or Yes, but these bands are rather known for their say... more classic-prog approach (hard to express what I mean).

Preferably instrumental, sophisticated, based 19th or 20th century classical like Stravinsky, Bartok, Holst, Hindenith, Schoenberg, Berg, Khachaturian, Sibelius, Ravel and so many more.

The only ones that come to my mind at the moment would be ELP, Egg, Ekseption and The Nice. What else?

What bands do you like in that area?
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Definitely Symphony X, Protest the Hero, and The Human Abstract if you want to lean more towards metal. In terms of more classic bands, I'd say Oingo Boingo (who are strongly influenced by Bela Bartok and Igor Stravinsky, although they also carry quite a few jazz influences) and Moody Blues are a good bet... especially the latter because of their album Days of Future Passed
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Obvious, but Magma has also strong Bartok's influences

Renaissance is also inspired by russian classical composers.
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Plus, there's also Gentle Giant, Le Orme, Van der Graaf Generator, and Banco del Mutuo Soccorso 

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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Plus, there's also Gentle Giant, Le Orme, Van der Graaf Generator, and Banco del Mutuo Soccorso 


VDGG? I'll have to relisten, I always failed to notice a classical influence! Thanks for the Italian bands, I forgot about them.
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Yeah, I can see what you mean. I guess I often found classical influence in the organ work for the most part
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Unfortunately much of what is called "classical influence" in Prog is little more than imitation and pastiche - swathes of string samples is not classical influence and mutli-part song structures doth not a symphony make.

There are some exceptions to this, but not a lot. One not mentioned thus far that is truly worthy of the "classical influence" tag is The Enid. 




Edited by Dean - March 25 2016 at 05:41
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Some great ones already mentioned; thought I'd add-
             Triumvirat, Latte e Miele, Wallenstein, Beggar's Opera, Pell Mell.


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I was also going to suggest The Black Mages, who arrange Nobuo Uematsu's video game music to symphonic/progressive metal music. Since Uematsu's a classical composer, the genre's influence on the group is incredibly strong and evident (and highly complex, I might add)
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The VDGG classical influence summarizes in a simple gesture : Tadam tam !      
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but immediately rock music turns into symphonic.  This is so much clever than cut and paste classical elements. Just my opinion, of course. 
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Check out Frank Zappa, who was a legitimate classical composer. He tended to favor extremely complex arrangements influenced by Stravinsky, Varese, and Webern.
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RIO/Avant has lots of classically influenced bands, start with Univers Zero & Art Zoyd.
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Quella Vecchia Locanda is a stellar Italian band whose second album, Il Tempo Della Gioia, is very romantic and classically-oriented. Their self-titled first album also has some classical influence but is driven more by blues rock influences.
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Thanks for the suggestions, people! Some of them I knew and overlooked, some names are new to me! I've got everything downloaded and listening to all of these at the moment!
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Unfortunately much of what is called "classical influence" in Prog is little more than imitation and pastiche - swathes of string samples is not classical influence and mutli-part song structures doth not a symphony make.

There are some exceptions to this, but not a lot. One not mentioned thus far that is truly worthy of the "classical influence" tag is The Enid. 

You are, of course, correct in your observations, Dean (particularly in regards to The Enid). Most prog rock bands gave "nods" to Bach (Procol Harum's "A Whiter Shade of Pale", Genesis' "Horizons" and Tull's "Bouree"), but I've always enjoyed John Evan's integration of Beethoven, Rachmaninoff and Debussy in "By Kind Permission of":



And ELP certainly had an affinity for Aaron Copeland, and their take on Ginastera's 1st Piano Concerto has always been a favorite of mine, and Emerson seemed to take the adaptation quite seriously, even going to meet Ginastera for permission.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Most prog rock bands gave "nods" to Bach (Procol Harum's "A Whiter Shade of Pale", Genesis' "Horizons" and Tull's "Bouree")


Sort of reminds me of that.Smile

If we are at it, I believe Egg fits the best in what I'm looking for.



Egg use quotes from "Hall Of The Mountain King" by Grieg and "Rite of Spring" by Stravinsky.



Even the last song I posted, which doesn't have all that much of classical music influence to it, it has a very classical feel to it.



Now that I'm thinking, even this has a strong classical, tunes. It is a visible quote of "Rite Of Spring" by Stravinsky. However, this is more rock-orientated.

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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Some great ones already mentioned; thought I'd add-
             Triumvirat, Latte e Miele, Wallenstein, Beggar's Opera, Pell Mell.

love Pell Mell!  All their first 4 albums are worth having, even if I think they made a bit of a mess of "From the New World".  Plenty of quotes from the greats but also stuff that sounds like it was ripped off of a classical composer but maybe wasn't, and that's a compliment.

Then there is Renaissance of course.  Michael Dunford was the main composer during their peak period, and he was well steeped in the Romantic classical tradition
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Some great ones already mentioned; thought I'd add-
             Triumvirat, Latte e Miele, Wallenstein, Beggar's Opera, Pell Mell.

love Pell Mell!  All their first 4 albums are worth having, even if I think they made a bit of a mess of "From the New World".  Plenty of quotes from the greats but also stuff that sounds like it was ripped off of a classical composer but maybe wasn't, and that's a compliment.

Then there is Renaissance of course.  Michael Dunford was the main composer during their peak period, and he was well steeped in the Romantic classical tradition

I think I am missing out on Renaissance, some of the stuff I listened to I didn't find all that pleasing. What albums are recommended?
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