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King Of Poland 
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Joined: November 01 2015 Location: right there Status: Offline Points: 3 |
 Topic: Is the original Prog left-wing?Posted: January 16 2016 at 06:20 |
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Hey gang!
I just wanted to know - would the original prog movement (1960s, 1970s) be left-wing leaning? Of course there are leftist legends such as Robert Wyatt, but other than that? What would be your opinion? Thanks! |
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micky
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 06:37 |
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is prog left leaning?
Is prog fan left wing in addition to being pompous and overbearing? Of course they are. A good case in point. There was once a 70's band, that exibited some quite right wing views. They were ostraczed in their country and were reduced to playing shows for their lunatic followers. Fast forward 40 years and that band came up for discussion for addition here to PA's. Were they included? Nope. Vetoed by a particularly firebrandish beautiful sexy collab for their views. Though she says she didn't think the music qualified. Hah.. loving husbands know their wives and what they really think.   |
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Flight123
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Joined: September 01 2010 Location: Sohar, Oman Status: Offline Points: 1399 |
Posted: January 16 2016 at 06:49 |
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Henry Cow were well known for their political ideology, but I guess you knew that already. I think there was some political disagreement among the RIO bands however.
Roger Waters, of course, was a former CPGB member. |
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GKR
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 07:41 |
Seriously?? Didnt knew that! |
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GKR
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 07:43 |
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I like very much the Italian scene for their political views and the political messages of the lyrics.
Even that its not straight forward, but its there. Fuje a chistu paese, and all that.  |
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TeleStrat
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 08:07 |
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I did not pay attention to lyrics back then and still don't now.
I do agree with what's been said about most prog fans being left wing. |
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Komandant Shamal
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 08:09 |
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Komandant Shamal
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 08:18 |
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Raff
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 08:24 |
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In Europe, most progressive musicians are also progressive-leaning in political terms. Not so in the US, where there are quite a few right-wing-leaning characters among the artists and the fandom. Just remember that left and right are rather different concepts in Europe and in the US.
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GKR
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 08:27 |
Oh, that is true. In Brazil, there is a whole confusion nowadays on what is left and right, also because we have too much influence on both Europe and US... so, we deal with both concepts... gosh, its complicated! |
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Matthew _Gill
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 09:32 |
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I think Camel and Steve Hackett have both made very Left wing songs. Wasn't Hackett's for a Left-wing cause?
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Hercules
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 09:53 |
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Most were, but a few (Hudson, Ford and Wakeman) from Strawbs were active Conservative supporters. Bryan Ferry is also a right winger.
Edited by Hercules - January 16 2016 at 09:54 |
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micky
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 10:33 |
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hah!
this was selected as the prog 'national anthem' for a reason.. |
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ginodi
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 10:36 |
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Please take this message as just a simple rolling of the eyes, for we are all cool friends for the most part, but can we ditch politics for at least once? If you are in the U.S., it seems you can't talk about something without it resorting to politics at some point. For example...meet someone on the street and say it is rather cold out, and the reply..."yeah, how's that for the Liberals and their Global Warming, huh?" Had a guy tell me he can't listen to early Bob Dylan because he spouted Liberal bullsh*t. EGADS! I am sure there probably is right or left leaning political messages within lyrics of the music we love most, but most of it probably speaks for a certain period in time. Just an innocent observation and posting...no malice intended.
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WeepingElf
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 10:53 |
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I think most classic-era prog artists leaned to the left, though to different degrees; this also appears to be true for later prog until today. Claims to the existence of right-wing prog usually come from Americans who define "right" as "more freedom" and "left" as "more state", which is not what the terms mean at least in Europe. Surely, the Nazis were extremely statist, but I hope everyone agrees that they were a far-right movement.
See also this thread. Edited by WeepingElf - January 16 2016 at 10:55 |
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octopus-4
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 11:02 |
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Prog I don't know... I am surely.
Anyway, if we go to the Italian scene of the 60s and 70s, prog was part of the counter-culture, so it was naturally more left-winged, but it wasnět a rule. Stormy Six, Area and others were very involved in politics, but others were not that much. Lucio Battisti, who honestly I don't cosider prog but is on PA, was quite right winged, or he was told so. Genesis fans were less left-winged than Pink Floyd fans, but also in this case it was not a rule. I think that what matters is that the artists are honest. I'm atheist and I like Neal Morse. I'm left-winged and I like celtic-metal. When it goes to music, it's music that matters, then if I agree with the contents it's better, but not a must.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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octopus-4
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 11:04 |
Excellent point. Discussing with yankees I've always struggled in understanding some of their positions, This clarifies things a lot.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Raff
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 11:06 |
I agree with you 100%. Politics in the US has become poison, and destroyed many friendships. I'd rather talk about music. |
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micky
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 11:11 |
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poison? I wasn't joking in Terri's thread. It is war... for the heart and soul of this country. One uses intellect and their minds, the other fear and base emotions.. and when that fails.. the guns they so dearly love.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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octopus-4
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Posted: January 16 2016 at 11:13 |
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I've just founded a party. He's my president
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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