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    Posted: March 27 2005 at 18:47

Okay seriously now...you should never take me seriously.

Anywho I always have been thinking about the meaning of progressive rock. But first a Prologue.

 My way into "progressive" music started with Symphony X and their "The Odyssey", yes im only been into this for about 2,5 years now, and I thought: "Oh my, what a great metal band". At the time I would put them as a mix between Metallica and Iron Maiden, isnt that funny?..Or is it?  .  

So... I wanted more and the internet is such a good tool for information, and so I was suddenly glanzig at a review comparing SX and Dream Theater. Always interesting with new influence I thought! Imagine my surprise when I bought SFAM:M2 two weeks later! Indeed I could see the similarities, both were concepts album with an epic touch, but DT were/was (grammaticals!) way different in other aspects. (You must admit DT makes music with close bonds to Genesis wich I for some reasons define as the essence of Progressive Rock) BTW, I will not use the word Prog as it, in swedish, represent a more focused kind of music and kultur, nor does it have any similarities to Progressive Rock. 

Anywho, it was about here I came in touch with the "progressive rock" genre (From now on I just say "PR") and at first I was amazed at the diversity. Now for a question: Does for example Magma counts as rock? If not I should erase the rock to be politcal correct, but screw that. 

So with this brief history lecture of mine, I should be to able to express myself with clarity: At the beginning my opinion of "PR" were that each song should be atleast ten minutes long, infact it is merely a norm and not a necessity. Another opinion at same time were the build-ups, its progression therefore the name i thought, emerging in klimax (GYBE and sometimes DT does this among many others), also a norm and not a necessity. And so lately my finally thought, THE QUEST for originality, The PROGRESSION of music. I know there is many bands in here that from time to time are being accused as  "copy-cats" . And yet in the end it is still a question of definition. (smaken är som baken)

What is yours?

(I know this seems irrelevant, and infact it is. Good music is actually good music and vice vers)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2005 at 18:48

My apologies if this isnt a new topic...

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2005 at 18:53

Um

Seems the first thing you ought to do is listern to some progressive rock! SX Dream theatre

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2005 at 18:57
There is just something about progressive rock... but no one can put a finger on it...

some say its the intritcate layers of melodies
some say its the complexity and odd time signatures
some say its the constant "progressing" thoughout the song
some say its the long length of the songs
some say its the "depth" of the lyrics

I really dont know... All's I know is I know it when i hear it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2005 at 19:04

Um

Something that starts as something,goes into something else while doing something else but can go back to the first something while keeping up the 2nd & 3rd something.Yeh.Very intricate.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2005 at 07:15

Originally posted by Hierophant Hierophant wrote:

There is just something about progressive rock... but no one can put a finger on it...

some say its the intritcate layers of melodies
some say its the complexity and odd time signatures
some say its the constant "progressing" thoughout the song
some say its the long length of the songs
some say its the "depth" of the lyrics

I really dont know... All's I know is I know it when i hear it.

True, true...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2005 at 08:00
Originally posted by Zero the hero Zero the hero wrote:

Um

Seems the first thing you ought to do is listern to some progressive rock! SX Dream theatre

Look at his avatar though! Come on, kudos for that!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2005 at 08:24
Originally posted by Zero the hero Zero the hero wrote:

Um

Seems the first thing you ought to do is listern to some progressive rock! SX Dream theatre

Did you actually read my text? And what exactly do you mean by "progressive rock"? If you by any chance mean bands like Kc, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes, VDGG, ELP, Gentle Giant and so on, then I have already done that. So...Did you actually read my text? Just curuios...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2005 at 11:44

Experimentatation , experimentation, experimentation...

Summary: Key word is 'progressive.' I'm afraid I'm more old school than other people though, and even dictionaries are rewritten all the time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2005 at 12:37
Originally posted by Hierophant Hierophant wrote:

All's I know is I know it when i hear it.


No blush needed, Hierophant - that's as good, and as concise a definition as you'll read here

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2005 at 12:48
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2005 at 14:32
Originally posted by Xanadu Xanadu wrote:

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Anywho, it was about here I came in touch with the "progressive rock" genre (From now on I just say "PR") and at first I was amazed at the diversity. Now for a question: Does for example Magma counts as rock? If not I should erase the rock to be politcal correct, but screw that. 

(I know this seems irrelevant, and infact it is. Good music is actually good music and vice vers)

If you ever see Magma live you'll know for certain that they are rock. Cool avatar btw.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2005 at 15:03
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by Xanadu Xanadu wrote:

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Anywho, it was about here I came in touch with the "progressive rock" genre (From now on I just say "PR") and at first I was amazed at the diversity. Now for a question: Does for example Magma counts as rock? If not I should erase the rock to be politcal correct, but screw that. 

(I know this seems irrelevant, and infact it is. Good music is actually good music and vice vers)

If you ever see Magma live you'll know for certain that they are rock. Cool avatar btw.

Thank you...

Im not a huge fan of magma, just simply love MDK, so I dont know if theyīre still aorund. And if they are sweden doesnīt seem like a place for them to do concerts. Doesnīt their music counts as Zeuhl? If Im not mistaken Art Zoyd and Ruins (Koenji Hyakkei?) counts as Zeuhl aswell...

Anyway I believe you, rock i such a big field of different music...

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2005 at 15:11

Radiohead.

 

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Radiohead.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2005 at 15:35

Tripod?

They're not prog...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 06:07

Or are they...?

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They were until they split - the only remaining member now records under the name 'monopod'; a fine upstanding citizen, if a little unstable occasionally.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 07:14

Progressive is just another word for ''Innovative''... it's not a music genre, although it is much easier to explain it to someone using the word as a genre, but in fact, it's just music that tries to make the best out of the instruments given, something that EXPLOITS rock, metal, jazz and folk to its fullest, trying to achieve a new sound.

What we listen to is not prog... it's rock, metal, it's jazz... exploited to its fullest.

Prog can't be described... it can only be heard.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 08:34
Originally posted by Keke Keke wrote:

Progressive is just another word for ''Innovative''... it's not a music genre, although it is much easier to explain it to someone using the word as a genre, but in fact, it's just music that tries to make the best out of the instruments given, something that EXPLOITS rock, metal, jazz and folk to its fullest, trying to achieve a new sound.

What we listen to is not prog... it's rock, metal, it's jazz... exploited to its fullest.

Prog can't be described... it can only be heard.

All thought i said it, I can agree with you when you say ..."itīs not a music genre". Itīs to complex for that. But when you say so...do you mean it isnīt the way it (the music) sounds, it is rather the way it is made?

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