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Poll Question: Is some HC bands better than some prog metal bands.
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There is (at least) one HC band better than many prog metal bands. It is

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I believe that some HC bands are better than some prog metal bands ... and I believe that some prog metal bands are better than some HC bands.

BTW: WTFIHC?
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If you think there are, I would like to know who they are.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

BTW: WTFIHC?

This was my gentle way of asking what HC means.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I believe that some HC bands are better than some prog metal bands ... and I believe that some prog metal bands are better than some HC bands.

BTW: WTFIHC?



There are many prog metal bands better than HC, That's not my question. I asked for bands better than some prog metal bands (exp. Kamelot, Nightwish, Rhapsody, Therion, ...)
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HC is Hardcore.
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It doesn't matter anyway ... your question is pointless. It boils down to "is genre X better than genre Y", and there's no meaningful answer to that question, because the question itself doesn't make sense.
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Is the band from my avatar HC? (Dillinger Escape Plan)
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

It doesn't matter anyway ... your question is pointless. It boils down to "is genre X better than genre Y", and there's no meaningful answer to that question, because the question itself doesn't make sense.


My question is not pointless. My question was put for those people, who listens music and then judge.
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Ok then: Dillinger Escape Plan are better than some prog metal bands, Dream Theater are better than some HC bands. Now what?
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Originally posted by bogdan. bogdan. wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I believe that some HC bands are better than some prog metal bands ... and I believe that some prog metal bands are better than some HC bands.

BTW: WTFIHC?



There are many prog metal bands better than HC, That's not my question. I asked for bands better than some prog metal bands (exp. Kamelot, Nightwish, Rhapsody, Therion, ...)


mate kamelot (us power metal), nightwish (symphonic pop/metal wannabes), rhapsody( the biggest joke ever) and therion( only theli is prog and maybe vovin, although i prefer vovin than theli) are not progressive metal.
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Originally posted by Hammill Hammill wrote:

Originally posted by bogdan. bogdan. wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I believe that some HC bands are better than some prog metal bands ... and I believe that some prog metal bands are better than some HC bands.

BTW: WTFIHC?



There are many prog metal bands better than HC, That's not my question. I asked for bands better than some prog metal bands (exp. Kamelot, Nightwish, Rhapsody, Therion, ...)


mate kamelot (us power metal), nightwish (symphonic pop/metal wannabes), rhapsody( the biggest joke ever) and therion( only theli is prog and maybe vovin, although i prefer vovin than theli) are not progressive metal.


So why the f**k are they on prog metal list
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Originally posted by Hammill Hammill wrote:

Originally posted by bogdan. bogdan. wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I believe that some HC bands are better than some prog metal bands ... and I believe that some prog metal bands are better than some HC bands.

BTW: WTFIHC?



There are many prog metal bands better than HC, That's not my question. I asked for bands better than some prog metal bands (exp. Kamelot, Nightwish, Rhapsody, Therion, ...)


mate kamelot (us power metal), nightwish (symphonic pop/metal wannabes), rhapsody( the biggest joke ever) and therion( only theli is prog and maybe vovin, although i prefer vovin than theli) are not progressive metal.

Therion suck ... Kamelot rule. But I agree that all of those bands are not prog metal in the usual definition of the genre. In my book however, there exist such genres like Progressive Power Metal (Kamelot). But the "heart" of prog metal is what I like to call Symphonic Progressive Metal: Pain of Salvation, Heaven's Cry, Psychotic Waltz, Threshold, Ayreon etc. I indeed doubt that ANY hardcore band could possibly rival the musicanship and artistic level of those bands.
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Just listen to Madame Germen
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Hammill Hammill wrote:

Originally posted by bogdan. bogdan. wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I believe that some HC bands are better than some prog metal bands ... and I believe that some prog metal bands are better than some HC bands.

BTW: WTFIHC?



There are many prog metal bands better than HC, That's not my question. I asked for bands better than some prog metal bands (exp. Kamelot, Nightwish, Rhapsody, Therion, ...)


mate kamelot (us power metal), nightwish (symphonic pop/metal wannabes), rhapsody( the biggest joke ever) and therion( only theli is prog and maybe vovin, although i prefer vovin than theli) are not progressive metal.

Therion suck ... Kamelot rule. But I agree that all of those bands are not prog metal in the usual definition of the genre. In my book however, there exist such genres like Progressive Power Metal (Kamelot). But the "heart" of prog metal is what I like to call Symphonic Progressive Metal: Pain of Salvation, Heaven's Cry, Psychotic Waltz, Threshold, Ayreon etc. I indeed doubt that ANY hardcore band could possibly rival the musicanship and artistic level of those bands.




I believe that psychotic waltz is a genre of their own mate....just psychotic prog metal
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Originally posted by Hammill Hammill wrote:


I believe that psychotic waltz is a genre of their own mate....just psychotic prog metal

Or indeed some kind of Hardcore Progressive Metal. 
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Originally posted by bogdan. bogdan. wrote:

Just listen to Madame Germen

Just give us some samples ...
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Hammill Hammill wrote:

Originally posted by bogdan. bogdan. wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I believe that some HC bands are better than some prog metal bands ... and I believe that some prog metal bands are better than some HC bands.

BTW: WTFIHC?



There are many prog metal bands better than HC, That's not my question. I asked for bands better than some prog metal bands (exp. Kamelot, Nightwish, Rhapsody, Therion, ...)


mate kamelot (us power metal), nightwish (symphonic pop/metal wannabes), rhapsody( the biggest joke ever) and therion( only theli is prog and maybe vovin, although i prefer vovin than theli) are not progressive metal.

Therion suck ... Kamelot rule. But I agree that all of those bands are not prog metal in the usual definition of the genre. In my book however, there exist such genres like Progressive Power Metal (Kamelot). But the "heart" of prog metal is what I like to call Symphonic Progressive Metal: Pain of Salvation, Heaven's Cry, Psychotic Waltz, Threshold, Ayreon etc. I indeed doubt that ANY hardcore band could possibly rival the musicanship and artistic level of those bands.



There are so many better HC bands then Ayreon.
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Bogdan what do you mean by saying hardcore? bands like madball, anistiic front, earth crisis etc?
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