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Radiohead is an obvious - but controversial - example. Talk Talk started as an excellent pop band (I love their second album), and moved to excellent prog rock.
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2005 at 12:46
Most of the prog bands which were creating the genre started out as a non-prog (ofcourse), like Genesis and Yes. Their 1st albums from sixties aren't "prog" musically, at least not in the way than their albums from early 70's?
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Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't most Prog actually Pop music in the seventies?

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Originally posted by Gaston Gaston wrote:

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't most Prog actually Pop music in the seventies?

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If you see pop as simply popular music: yes.
...but then even some black metal can be can be called pop in these days...
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Incubus can very much go prog. Their "Odyssey" song on the Halo 2 soundtrack is very prog, and they can very easily move further into that direction,
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Incubus can very much go prog. Their "Odyssey" song on the Halo 2 soundtrack is very prog, and they can very easily move further into that direction,

They already have.  Their newest album has a few moments where they recall Rush (esp. The guitarist, Mike Engzinger and his solos.)  If you want a good example of the way they are probably headed ( I hope), I suggest the track "Sick Sad Little World".
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Perkele, now I got it!

Tuomari Nurmio

Finnish rock musician. His career begun at the late 70's, but he started adventuring in art music seriously at 1992 with his "Hullu puutarhuri" (The mad gardener), which has some longer songs and "Hungry tribal marching band" doing non-timesignatured bigband noise. At 2002 he released a live CD presenting the material of his new band "Tuomari Nurmio & Korkein Oikeus" (Judge Nurmio & Higher Court). This was an agressive and cacophonic trio, who's music was desribed as a clash of KING CRIMSON and BLACK SABBATH. His latest awesome record is done with ALAMAAILMAN VASARAT, and it's included in progarchives!

Nurmio is very talented songwriter and lyricist, and has also a very good artistic taste. But I'm not sure if his music is very accesible to those who don't understand finnish... He educated himself as a judge, but he has done his living as a musician, without working a day as a judge. Therefore it's higly respectable, that he has been doing real culture without selling his soul to the music industry!

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If you include Prog sounding:-

Mercury Rev / And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead  /  David Sylvian / Sonic Youth /  The Gathering  / Tiamat / Soundgarden / Metallica / Fields Of The Nephilim / The Mission UK ....
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Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:

Perkele, now I got it!

Tuomari Nurmio

Finnish rock musician. His career begun at the late 70's, but he started adventuring in art music seriously at 1992 with his "Hullu puutarhuri" (The mad gardener), which has some longer songs and "Hungry tribal marching band" doing non-timesignatured bigband noise. At 2002 he released a live CD presenting the material of his new band "Tuomari Nurmio & Korkein Oikeus" (Judge Nurmio & Higher Court). This was an agressive and cacophonic trio, who's music was desribed as a clash of KING CRIMSON and BLACK SABBATH. His latest awesome record is done with ALAMAAILMAN VASARAT, and it's included in progarchives!

Nurmio is very talented songwriter and lyricist, and has also a very good artistic taste. But I'm not sure if his music is very accesible to those who don't understand finnish... He educated himself as a judge, but he has done his living as a musician, without working a day as a judge. Therefore it's higly respectable, that he has been doing real culture without selling his soul to the music industry!

Do the lyrics of "The Mad Gardener" have anything to do with the "Song of the Mad Gardener" from Lewis Caroll's (the man who wrote the "Alice" books) novel "Sylvie and Bruno"?

Here the lyrics of the "Song of the Mad Gardener" in Caroll's novel:

The Mad Gardener's Song

by Lewis Carroll

He thought he saw an Elephant,
    That practised on a fife:
He looked again, and found it was
    A letter from his wife.
'At length I realise,' he said,
    'The bitterness of Life!'

He thought he saw a Buffalo
    Upon the chimney-piece:
He looked again, and found it was
    His Sister's Husband's Niece.
'Unless you leave this house,' he said,
    'I'll send for the Police!'

He thought he saw a Rattlesnake
    That questioned him in Greek:
He looked again, and found it was
    The Middle of Next Week.
'The one thing I regret,' he said,
    'Is that it cannot speak!'

He thought he saw a Banker's Clerk
    Descending from the bus:
He looked again, and found it was
    A Hippopotamus.
'If this should stay to dine,' he said,
    'There won't be much for us!'

He thought he saw a Kangaroo
    That worked a coffee-mill:
He looked again, and found it was
    A Vegetable-Pill.
'Were I to swallow this,' he said,
    'I should be very ill!'

He thought he saw a Coach-and-Four
    That stood beside his bed:
He looked again, and found it was
    A Bear without a Head.
'Poor thing,' he said, 'poor silly thing!
    It's waiting to be fed!'

He thought he saw an Albatross
    That fluttered round the lamp:
He looked again, and found it was
    A Penny-Postage Stamp.
'You'd best be getting home,' he said:
    'The nights are very damp!'

He thought he saw a Garden-Door
    That opened with a key:
He looked again, and found it was
    A Double Rule of Three:
'And all its mystery,' he said,
    'Is clear as day to me!'

He thought he saw a Argument
    That proved he was the Pope:
He looked again, and found it was
    A Bar of Mottled Soap.
'A fact so dread,' he faintly said,
    'Extinguishes all hope!'



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No, I think Hullu Puutarhuri (Mad Gardener) in Nurmio's song, represents more like some kind of abstract force homogenizing humankind. I don't know if Carrol's writing has inflicted Nurmio finding such symbolistic name though.



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Originally posted by Gaston Gaston wrote:

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't most Prog actually Pop music in the seventies?

*scratches head*

Wasn't there only three main genres then. Pop(which included rock),jazz & classical.Prog crossed all three of these genres to some extent,but its main genre was pop(rock) thus it was placed in this category in record stores at the time.

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Anathema supposedly started out as a Doom band, being strongly influenced by Black Sabbath. However i only own "A Natural Disaster" so can't speak from experience
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Originally posted by Paradox Paradox wrote:

Anathema supposedly started out as a Doom band, being strongly influenced by Black Sabbath. However i only own "A Natural Disaster" so can't speak from experience


I think you're right.  Apparently Anathema were originally a "doomdeath" band (i.e. death metal vocals with slow, doomy Sabbath-influenced riffs).  I haven't heard any of their early albums, so I can't comment further.


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