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    Posted: February 05 2004 at 18:45

On the morning comedy show "Bob and Tom", they had the author of some Star treks (WARS) books on the show. Tom stated, "Isn't RUSH the favorite rock band of Sci-Fi Addicts?" Unfortunately, I had to get into the office and I missed all the call ins.

What do you think? I do believe that many or most Prog fans, not just Rush fans, are into Sci-Fi, Fantasy; books, movies......

So which came first to you, Prog or Sci-Fi.

I know, there's about three or four threads in this one post. Sue me.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2004 at 22:26
I could see a Sci-Fi connection to Rush, the lyrics certainly get into that area.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2004 at 03:05

Yes I'm a HUGE SCI/FI-Fantasy fan.  I collect S/F-F DVDslike crazy.  And I'm very much a Rush fan as well, but the sequence of events didn't work quite that way....

I got into S/F when my great uncle gave me his Tom Swift Sr. collection, circa 1965.  I then discovered Heinlein's juveniles and tried to devour everything he wrote.  Even though, for instance "Stranger In a Strange Land", was still over my head.  Around 1968 an uncle gave me the Lord of the Rings books and I was hopelessly hooked from that point.

At that same tmie I was grooving to "Day In The Life" and "Baba O'Reilly" when in 1969 I heard "21st Century Schizoid Man" and "In The Court Of The Crimson King" on radio KAAY on the same night and that was it.  I was PROG.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2004 at 03:15
Personally, I think SciFi/Fantasy novels hit me at around the same time as prog; all this new information hitting my young brain at the same time - it's a wonder I remained sane.... just ask my imaginary camel, Colin.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2004 at 11:48
I was watching LOTR last night and I couldn't help but notice that Pippin looks like a young Jon Anderson, coincidence?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2004 at 02:06

Ermm I Like Rush, but I think that the assumption that science-fiction fans (like myself) are more likely to prefer them over other bands, is a rather broad one. I'm sure that many prog fans read sci-fi (and fantasy! I love Moorcock, Leiber, De Camp, Vance, Wolfe, LeGuin, and others), but no doubt there's a wide variety of bands represented in our collections. Lots of Rush lyrics are science fictional/fantastic in theme, but so are the lyrics of countless other prog (and even pop) artists and songs. That vein of inspiration has been tapped by many more lyricists than Neil Peart!

By the way, anyone else out there enjoy Silverberg's Lord Valentine's Castle? A modern classic!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2004 at 02:14

 By the way, Danbo, I guess I got into sci-fi (Ray Bradbury) just a couple or three years before I got seriously into prog. I believe that listening to prog and reading "escapist" literature fits the "profile" of many prog fans (but not all): we tend to be people who are looking for something different in our art. We're probably big Dali fans overall, too.... 

Great topic/question!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2004 at 02:25
HARLAN ELLISON (especially the collections of the 70s & early 80s) ROCKS too, Thumbs Up and let's not forget Kurt Vonnegut! Cat's Cradle, Slaughter-House Five, The Sirens of Titan and others are classics! StarStarStarStarStar Long live Kilgore Trout!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2004 at 11:19
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Ermm "I'm sure that many prog fans read sci-fi (and fantasy! I love Moorcock, Leiber, De Camp, Vance, Wolfe, LeGuin, and others), but no doubt there's a wide variety of bands represented in our collections." 

By the way, a little trvia. Did you know The Norwegian troll named Mortiis goes by Michael Moorcock  Music's not bad either but he sure is a strange looking dude.   I don't know if it's his real name, I assume it's assumed.

Regarding Rush. I can see a connection between Prog and Sci-Fi, espcially Psychadellic rock/metal groups like Hawkwind, Ship of Fools and Ozric Tentacles but not particularly Rush.

By the way when it comes to Rush I own and like Moving Pictures but not anything else. The singers voice is a turnoff for me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2004 at 09:22
wow Science Fiction!!I have read lots of sf,Icannot name my favourite author(i dont have one)but lots of stories spring to mind.How about "Frost and Fire" by Ray Bradbury or"Inconstant Moon" by Larry Niven,"By his Bootstraps,By Robert Heinlein,"Mission Of Gravity "by Hal Clements, or "The Forever War" by Joe Halderman(there is talk of a movie!!),or what about.....I could go on forever,what a great subject!!!!BY the way Rush is popular with SCi Fi fans who listen to their music with a knowing nod and wink,but i also know people who hate sci fi but love Rush...I think the moral of the story is..... Rush is cool!!!(simple as that) stay safe!!!. by the way Peter Rideout you like Fritz Leiber,what do you think of Fhard and the Grey Mouser,or Moorcocks Elric Stories or even Moorcocks Hawkwind stories!!! sorry i just love this!!!! As for Silverberg..try"Dying Inside"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2004 at 19:38

While Rush does draw a huge crowd of Sci-Fi fans, that is not the only crowd that they draw. Why is this? possibly because Rush draws fans based on a) the band's literary influences, b) Impressive guitar shredding courtesy of Mr. Lifeson, and c) expansive progressive epics that defied critics into the eighties.

as for Sci-Fi, I have seen the movie Dune, and thought it kicked ass. (Haven't read the book, but I plan to)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2004 at 01:05

 Yes Dude, the fantasy series you mention are some of my all-time favourites. I absolutely love Leiber's "Fafhrd & Grey Mouser" books, Moorcock's powerful and darkly-atmospheric "Elric" saga (the best of his "Eternal Champion" cycle  -- I take it you're familiar with Blue Oyster Cult's solid Elric-inspired track "Black Blade," and Purple's "Stormbringer," named for the albino prince's demonic sword?) I plan to read these books again, one day soon, and I can't wait until my two kids are old enough to share them with. I also enjoyed Silverberg's "Dying Inside," but you MUST read his "Lord Valentine's Castle" -- a highly memorable epic!

If you like the way Leiber brings humour and fallible heroes to fantasy in the aforementioned series, you should also check out sci-fi master L. Sprague de Camp's "The Reluctant King" trilogy, and Jack Vance's "Dying Earth" series: "The Dying Earth," "The Eyes of the Overworld" and "Cugel's Saga." Brilliant, magical  stuff -- Vance is one of my favourite witers in ANY genre. If you want something darker, but totally absorbing, try Gene Wolfe's "Shadow of the Torturer" (first of a great series), or "Soldier of the Mist." Wolfe is an amazing writer!

I'm currently reading the latest in Ursula K. LeGuin's superb "Earthsea" series. (It's excellent, so far!) If you've never read her masterpiece of High Fantasy, "A Wizard of Earthsea," I highly urge you to do so -- you're in for a treat! Her sci-fi classics "The Left Hand of Darkness" and "The Dispossessed" are also highly recommended. Each is still taught in (enlightened) university courses for the strength of the writing, and the profound themes and issues explored!

PS: Any and all of the above would be great reading with some instrumental prog, like classic Tangerine Dream (FORCE MAJEURE, PHAEDRA, RUBICON, STRATOSFEAR, EXIT, WHITE EAGLE, etc., on in the background! Also good would be Anglagard's excellent 90s instrumental "Epilog" (see my recent review).

Happy reading and listening, fellow prog-fiends! Ying Yang



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2004 at 11:50
Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

 Yes Dude, the fantasy series you mention are some of my all-time favourites. I absolutely love Leiber's "Fafhrd & Grey Mouser" books, Moorcock's powerful and darkly-atmospheric "Elric" saga (the best of his "Eternal Champion" cycle  -- I take it you're familiar with Blue Oyster Cult's solid Elric-inspired track "Black Blade," and Purple's "Stormbringer," named for the albino prince's demonic sword?) I plan to read these books again, one day soon, and I can't wait until my two kids are old enough to share them with. I also enjoyed Silverberg's "Dying Inside," but you MUST read his "Lord Valentine's Castle" -- a highly memorable epic!

I did not know that. I should find myself some of those novels as soon as possible.

Another reading I'd like to recommend is the mini-novel Anthem by literary and philosophic genius Ayn Rand. A story of a future in which the universe has been dominated by a communist government, who has outlawed an form of personal enjoyment and reduced people to the status of slaves, it details the rise of one man's rebellion against this society. This work is highly recommended, as it has influenced songs such as 2112, and others.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2004 at 15:43
 Thanks for the literary tip, Glass-Prison! I've never read Ayn Rand, but I know that I should -- perhaps one day soon.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2004 at 07:39
Peter Rideout - "I take it you're familiar with Blue Oyster Cult's solid Elric-inspired track "Black Blade," and Purple's "Stormbringer," named for the albino prince's demonic sword?)"

BOC also co-wrote 'victim of a thousand psychic wars' with Moorcock, whose music collaborations with Hawkwind are more known ('warrior on the edge of time', 'chronicles of the black sword' etc) - he also wrote a sci-fi/fantasy novel based around the members of Hawkwind "Time Of The Hawklords"; quite often in the '80s, it was common for him to appear on stage with Hawkwind to recite poetry......

Many authors have been mentioned in this particular thread, but nothing as yet regarding Peter Donaldson - I would highly recommend "The Chronicles Of Thomas Covenant", and especially the "Gap" series, which somehow manages to base a 5 book sci-fi epic around Wagner's 'Ring' cycle (not too heavy a theme, then....)

Donaldson's books are not the easiest to get into initially, but they are ultimately very rewarding.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2004 at 08:42
it is interesting that some of you have mentioned Ayn Rand(Atlas Shrugged, the Fountainhead(a very good movie)) ,she is regarded as a right wing philosipher in the vein of Frederich Nietszche("that which does not kill you makes you stronger"......) and her writings are often despised by socialists and those on the far left.i have not read any of her works but would like to, just to see what the fuss is about!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2004 at 16:49
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2004 at 18:00

 Dude, I didn't know that Rand had a right-wing reputation, that's how little I really knew about her. Maybe I'll find out more (easily done, on Net) before I tackle any of her stuff. I generally have at least 2 new books around at any given time, so I can always wait. I've usually got a big Victorian novel either on the go (much Dickens, of late) or in the wings, as well. I find old classics somewhat slower to read, but highly interesting and rewarding. They're sort of like portals to the past, that tell me how we got here. Geek Recommended read: Don Quixote

Smile Jim, I've heard of "The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant," but have never read (only scanned) any Donaldson. (Isn't his first name "Stephen R?") A friend of mine who was also a big sci-fi fan said the book(s) were great, but I was reading other (usually more established) authors (many named in my earlier post) when the books came out, any never got around to trying the "newcomer." I guess I might, some day, but I tend to read the bigger, older names when I read "fantastic" literature (which is not nearly as often as I did in my teens & twenties). 

I'm sure they're good, though! I know they sold well! Anyway, almost any reading is good reading. Clap All too few people read! Here's an alarming statistic (from '78, almost certainly worse now!): Only 8% of Americans buy books, and only 2% buy more than one a year. Unhappy (Harlan Ellison) I also know that in my country (Canada), colleges and universities are increasingly upset with the schools for sending them highschool grads with rudimentary communication skills, and an inability to comprehend a novel, or string a coherent sentence together! Ouch

For those of you out there with young, preschool children: If you're not reading to your kids, and trying to impart an interest in books (let them see you reading for pleasure, as well!), then you're almost certainly dooming them to academic failure. I teach adults, and let me tell you, good reading skills (and a love of reading) are much easier to acquire in childhood! If your kids are not readers, they'll be second-rate (or worse) writers, with limited vocabularies. The world economy is increasingly knowledge-based, and good communication skills are more and more important in the workplace. Many are being left behind! Merely reading (or "chatting) on the computer is not enough, either, nor is reading technical material all day. People (yes, "real" men too) need fiction! Ying Yang

Well, that's today's sermon. I'll step down from my soapbox now,Geek and try to think more about prog. (Progressive rock, by the way, tends to have very articulate, if not poetic, lyrics. Much of the subject-matter comes from books -- science fiction, fantasy, mythology, the Bible, etc. -- so the words are often geared toward a well-read listener. Read a lyric sheet tonight!) Smile



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2004 at 19:33

One book really changed my life, my way of thinking. It's called, "Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan. It was a text book for a college class I had a few years ago. WOW, a critical thinking novel which cuts through so much  . I encourage my high school kids to read it. It's not a story, it's reality.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2004 at 21:53
Peter:I must confess that i do not really know that much about Ayn Rand myself(just a few snippets here and there ) so a trip to the net sounds like the way to go!!!!!.I also must confess that i am something of a philestine when it comes to literiture!! i have an aptitude for maths which has helped me in my life but i f someone were to mention Balzac to me i would be more inclined to think up half a dozen dirty jokes than give any serious consideration as to his contribution to the literary enrichment of man!!! amongst my favourite books of all time are the "confessions"books by Timothy Lea(real name Christopher Wood,those of you from Britain may know these books) they were a series of soft core porn novels laced with humour and written in the 70's and early 80's.As the books became popular the porn content was toned down in favor of the(very funny!!) humour and a number of mainstream movies were made from them for general release(starring Robin Askwith as Timothy lea) Trust me,they were not "hi brow" until next time stay safe my freinds!!!!!!
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