1973

It has less to do with opinion than with more
accomplishment within the music. Genesis simply stops somewhere with
making it more intricate and complex, still fitting into the music. Like Yes
did on Fragile, like VDGG did on Pawn Hearts, like King Crimson did on
almost all of their albums, etc.

We cannot go around saying:'oh you don't like that but that's merely an
opinion' I give arguments discussing the music itself, and why, musically,
other bands are simply better. Now, to MY OPINION, music SHOULD be
rated according to how GOOD they are musically, since we get horse
loads of crap on tv, on radio, and lately increasingly, on this forum.

Instead of arguing about 'how you don't understand it'  or how 'I don't
understand it',honestly things we cannot say ANYTHING about, since we
don't know what is EXACTLY going on in other people's heads, I give
arguments why it musically is not good. I do not bother to tell you you
don't understand, maybe, and probably, you do, else you wouldn't be
here in the first place. (excepting that you could be some sort of freakish
fan, liking the bands for something outside the music)

I am a bassist, I have played for merely 5 years, and now, I think
Genesis bass parts are NOTHING. Doesn't that say anything? Doesn't it
say anything I get bored playing their parts because actually, I'm not
DOING enough? I have studied the drumworks on many bands as well,
and can dabble around a bit on drums, and honestly, I CAN compare a
few drummers. Collins on Genesis fades to nothing when compared to his
Brand X work.