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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 01:14

Originally posted by nousommedusolei nousommedusolei wrote:

People who take Prog seriously usually have enough imagination and brain power to keep themselves entertained without the use of drugs.

This is 100% correct, but im sad to say about 1 year ago till about 2 months ago, I smoked weed a few times a month and listened to all my favorite Floyd albums. Best albums while I was high would be the ones that are the best while im sober, Animals, Meddle, Darkside, Wish, Atom Heart Mother. I very much enjoyed the time I had with these albums while I was high. Then when I came to this web site about 2 months ago and discovered all the great bands, I found out that I could listen to them and not smoke and have just as much fun.

Now that I take prog seriously and have found out how good it is to listen to it with all my concentration and brain power I know that I can be just as entertained without drugs.

O ya, I tried shrooms once and listened to Atom Heart Mother and that was probably the greatest listen to music in my life, but I wont do it agian, since shrooms can make u have a bad trip or really make u do somehting stupid. Don't recomend shrooms at all, but weed is harmless enough to have a nice sit and listen to music with, but I'm still done with it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 01:21

Originally posted by Retroventuremod Retroventuremod wrote:



Yes was in T.O. last year, i would have gone to it if id known about it earlier

Yeah, me too.  Yes are my favorite band, but I didn't go because they were going to be there during my first week of school.  I really regret it now, what with Wakeman retiring from live performance and all, and Anderson leaving.  And Dream Theater were opening for them, too.  They aren't one of my favorites, but I wouldn't mind seeing them. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 03:08

A lot of us were smoking up at the end of the 70's , so I imagine that in the early 70's they were too.

Compared to Metalheads (heavy drinking and a bit of smoking), Disco Fiends (uppers and coke) and Punks (mostly booze but sometimes hard drugs) , we were dopeheads! We considered ourselves as such , but this stayed only to smoking and drinking!

I read Macan's book about 10 years ago and found nothing to say on that particular chapter.

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 04:58

Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

ha ha my Dad listened to a lot of prog in the 70's, and he doesnt/didnt even drink, let along smoke pot.

but he did wear a YES belt buckle (all the way through the mid '80s!)

 I'm wearing a Rush belt buckle currently. My parents never listened to prog  (I introduced them to it) They married in 74 so they missed out during the biggest years of prog

anyways I don't do drugs, I have druggie friends but none of them like prog. Most drug users I've come across, were into indie/punk/emo

"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 05:03
"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 05:36
yer average prog rock fan:

predominantly male
white caucasian origin
nerdy bedroom-boffin type
doesn't care about fashionable items and ideas
gets nervous in the presence of females
writes lengthy essays just for the sake of it
hates record companies and radio stations
is more nostalgic than he dares to admit
passionately about music and other hobbies…

anything else anyone?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 06:04

Hail you, Gatot and Felona! I thought people like you vanished:)
I myself have never touched drugs, even cigarette, and alcohol since my childhood (yeah, the last time I drank alcohol -intentionally- was when I was 17!) and I raised in a muslim society, like gatot; and to your surprise, I am a church going christian! (Thankfully there are people like me: wakeman?!?!?)

Despite the "hippy" image, I believe most proggers here have respected jobs (at least make enough money to buy thousands of albums) and I am a translator. Well, my money is not enough for thousand albums, sigh. Thankfully we have MP3's here.

I believe there's no stereotype of a progger, at least for the fact that it ambodies many different styles, from jazz to classical, from metal to experimental/electronic!

another fact: NetsNJfan has a point about Yes, just inspect their lifestyles!! (and consider Wakeman contrary to the rest, he is the christian one!!!!!!) Videovertigo took this further: actually indie/punks should have been classified so. Yet, we know that there are drug influenced acts, at least in the beginning of prog: does Timothy Leary suggest anything!? I just love the music produced, no matter how it came out; Light My Fire is my all time favorite Doors track, and it couldn't have come that way if it weren't for the fact that they were high!!!!

don't spend much time on prototypes, just enjoy the music! keep on proggin'

PS: if there are other christians among you, please send me a private post. I would like to meet people of my kind!

Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 06:18
Very occasionally, I went through a week or a fortnight of smoking just about every day around my 16th birthday, now it's probably less than every couple of months, if that. I did mushrooms once though and I've got a couple of tabs of acid to try in a few weeks when I have the house to myself .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 07:54
Probably people who use drugs, will not post here..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 08:08

Sociologically speaking, progressive music was bought and heard  (i.e. as albums and gigs) by the middle class (that is here originally in the UK). It was the music played by those who were  continuing their education beyond the age of 16, therefore there were a lot of university and college undergraduates. A lot of these would have had some music in their education, especially serious music and possibly grown to appreciate that music could be complex and enjoyable, e.g. something that could intellectually rewarding, rather once played could be forgotten until heard on the radio the next time. Prog lasted longer than the 2min 30 seconds average of a pop song as well as being far more complex wrt structure. The fans were perhaps better off (or their parents!) and could  afford albums, to drop out, get dope without being busted too many times. As written on another thread, there was a rough class separation between popular music fans, here the hippies (a term used in a very broad sense) and the skinheads - the latter liked simpler music, were into reggae before most othe rpeople - especially the prog fans (NOTE: not until the Police produced their so-called regatta de blac- blue eyed reggae - did the rock audiencve take that on board - and of course Rush took up much of the regatta de blanc style when Police folded). Prog music was new and radical and therefore something that related well to the so-called revolutional attitudes and the new freedoms which younger people demanded i and in some way obtained at that time. Toss inthe key words : 60's and society, into Amazon (in my case Amazon.UK's) search engine and dozens of books appear on the subject.

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 10:06
I think the drug thing is largely untrue this day in age.  As far as the listening to albums, going to concerts stereotype, I think this applies to fans of really any kind of underground/unpopular genre, be it prog or punk or indie or whatever.  Everyone comes together in the name of appreciating music..... and making fun of the emo kids.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 10:48

Originally posted by iguana iguana wrote:

yer average prog rock fan:

predominantly male
white caucasian origin
nerdy bedroom-boffin type
doesn't care about fashionable items and ideas
gets nervous in the presence of females
writes lengthy essays just for the sake of it
hates record companies and radio stations
is more nostalgic than he dares to admit
passionately about music and other hobbies…

anything else anyone?

yea thats me

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 11:22
I don't listen to prog at friend's houses as I have no proggy friends in the "real world".

I don't do drugs either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 11:28

Originally posted by Retroventuremod Retroventuremod wrote:

While in uni, doing a history essay, I decided to search for a book on prog rock in the library, to my amazement I found one called Rocking the Classics: Progressive Rock and the Counterculture, by Edward Macan.

Anyway, it was a very interesting book, about prog rocks history, bands, styles, fans etc.

My question on the prog rock fan (esp. 70s fans), is that he labels them as people who if they arent at the concerts, they are in their friends apartment listening to the albums, smoking pot.  Do you think this is true, (I do when it comes to me lol, but i only recently got into prog a year ago), or is this a  stereotype?

I would be interested in some responses, and hey, even what you listen to if this is true for you- i opt for close to the edge usually, oh and cream- disraeli gears (yes i know its not prog), and i think id go for traffic - Mr Fantasy

Only the prog fans who aren't intelligent enough to open their minds smoke weed to understand the music.

Oh, you said you do?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 14:38

What a sanctimonious lot you young proggers are! I was around in the 70s and smoked weed, got drunk, took mushrooms and generally did the kind of stupid things you're meant to do when you're young. Not all of this was necessarily linked to listening to prog, but as a prog fan there was usually a prog album playing in the background. I still enjoy the odd toot on a bong, sometimes with an old Floyd or Gong album on in the background, and what's wrong with that?

You youngsters today are far too level headed for my liking - a spell in the Deadheads would soon sort your heads out! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 14:55

While the amount of drugs consumed by the youth, may have decreased since the 70's, stupidity has increased exponentially to such a degree that it is fashionable. Turn on the TV to be fully convinced.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 15:15
Originally posted by Poxx Poxx wrote:

While the amount of drugs consumed by the youth, may have decreased since the 70's, stupidity has increased exponentially to such a degree that it is fashionable. Turn on the TV to be fully convinced.

but have prog fans ever really concerned themselves with what is fashionable?  certainly not, and the same still holds true (for the most part....)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 15:42
Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:



Only the prog fans who aren't intelligent enough to open their minds smoke weed to understand the music.

Oh, you said you do?

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yeah, there is nothing wrong with it. 
Its relaxing, and also i CAN understand (and open my mind to) the music without it, it just makes it more enjoyable, believe me I listen to prog all the time, but i do always find its interesting to listen to while stoned. which i havent done much at all now that uni's out lol

Oh and to the moslems on the board - what about smoking shiesha(?) in a hookah to relax, and listen to prog - thats fun too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 15:50
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

What a sanctimonious lot you young proggers are! I was around in the 70s and smoked weed, got drunk, took mushrooms and generally did the kind of stupid things you're meant to do when you're young. Not all of this was necessarily linked to listening to prog, but as a prog fan there was usually a prog album playing in the background. I still enjoy the odd toot on a bong, sometimes with an old Floyd or Gong album on in the background, and what's wrong with that?

You youngsters today are far too level headed for my liking - a spell in the Deadheads would soon sort your heads out! 





I agree, there are a lot of young, very serious people on this board.  Those of you in uni/college, like me, don't you realise these will be the most fun years of your lives? Don't ruin it by never having fun, and only studying.  Universities are all about having a laugh, drinking a few beers, smoking a doob with your mates, rocking out at a party or bars, going to class at 9am hungover.

balance is bliss. lol
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 16:43
Originally posted by Retroventuremod Retroventuremod wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

What a sanctimonious lot you young proggers are! I was around in the 70s and smoked weed, got drunk, took mushrooms and generally did the kind of stupid things you're meant to do when you're young. Not all of this was necessarily linked to listening to prog, but as a prog fan there was usually a prog album playing in the background. I still enjoy the odd toot on a bong, sometimes with an old Floyd or Gong album on in the background, and what's wrong with that?

You youngsters today are far too level headed for my liking - a spell in the Deadheads would soon sort your heads out! 





I agree, there are a lot of young, very serious people on this board.  Those of you in uni/college, like me, don't you realise these will be the most fun years of your lives? Don't ruin it by never having fun, and only studying.  Universities are all about having a laugh, drinking a few beers, smoking a doob with your mates, rocking out at a party or bars, going to class at 9am hungover.

balance is bliss. lol

I'm not saying that copious beers and shots haven't been consumed (and they are, often) but it has no connection with my enjoyment of music.  I've never understood how musicians play under the influence.  my chops are ruined as soon as the consumption begins!

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