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valravennz 
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 Posted: March 22 2005 at 18:19 |
 Zero the hero wrote:
While were on the subject of Pink Floyd.Don't we all love the scissors sisters for totally destroying a perfectly good Floyd track.
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Errrm... (cringing) - I actually don't think it's that bad. Pink Floyd quite up-beat - it's a pleasant change. However, The Scissors Sisters are "off this planet" and I like their weirdness  
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valravennz
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 18:25 |
Metropolis wrote:
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Actually come to think of it - I would have to agree to some extent with what you have said. As I reply, I am listening to Porcupine Tree who do have some Pink Floyd in there as well as "Grunge".
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Where's the grunge, seriously, what album you listening to, I have them all and can't hear "Grunge" in any of them
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Hey there Metropolis - For some reason I hear some Pearl Jam - thinking of tracks such as "Even Less" "She's Moved On" "The Sound of Muzak - I will admit I am new to Porcupine Tree and I like what I hear. BTW can you recommend one or two particular albums of theirs as "must have"? 
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 18:26 |
valravennz wrote:
Actually come to think of it - I would have to
agree to some extent with what you have said. As I reply, I am
listening to Porcupine Tree who do have some Pink Floyd in there as
well as "Grunge".
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Where's the grunge, seriously, what album you listening to, I have them all and can't hear "Grunge" in any of them
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 19:02 |
Zero the hero wrote:
While were on the subject of Pink Floyd.Don't we all love the scissors sisters for totally destroying a perfectly good Floyd track. |
oh god i agree... go onto google and search for "you destroyed pink floyd" and it shpuld come with an article about a banner that sl*gged off the scissor sisters. this was your very own local prog forum member... FRENCHIE(me)!!! Since i was going to V festival 2004 i took a huge banner that said YOU DESTROYED PINK FLOYD. and the scissor sisters saw it! some angry fan tore it down and then the lead singer woman picked it up and made a dress out of it i think, she said something like that on the radio and on this article on google. the article has one disturbing incorrect fact though. scissor sisters say, "that fan put down the sign to dance".... the truth is it was torn down... and i certainly wouldnt dance to that sh*te music. i cant even "dance" let alone dance! thats my claim to fame anyway. as for their cover of comfortably numb, i safely label it GOD DAMN ATROCIOUS! they are the kind of band that take a good song and destroy it, kind of like a remix. for another atrocious pink floyd cover, check out korns another brick in the wall. they actually merged all 3 parts together even though they arent meant to be played one after the other... well they SAY they merged all 3 tracks together. the track is called "Another Brick in the Wall (parts 1 - 3)" but it is acutally ABITW parts 1 and 2, with goodbye cruel world tagged onto the end. THEY SCREWED THAT UP BIG TIME. bands like SS and KoRn shouldn't be allowed to butcher such classics. Next we'll have Anal c**t taking on the whole of echoes, in a 23 second song rather than 23 minutes!
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 19:31 |
valravennz wrote:
maani wrote:
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Actually come to think of it - I would have to agree to some extent
with what you have said. As I reply, I am listening to Porcupine
Tree who do have some Pink Floyd in there as well as "Grunge".
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I've got/heard 7 Porcupine Tree albums, and perhaps the earlier you go
back more the Floyd can be heard - but grunge????????????????????????
My reference point for grunge is Nirvana (the Seattle one, not the
psychedelic Uk one), tell me where to listen?
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 19:44 |
frenchie wrote:
Zero the hero wrote:
While were on the subject of Pink Floyd.Don't we all love the scissors sisters for totally destroying a perfectly good Floyd track.
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oh god i agree... go onto google and search for "you destroyed pink floyd" and it shpuld come with an article about a banner that sl*gged off the scissor sisters.
this was your very own local prog forum member... FRENCHIE(me)!!! Since i was going to V festival 2004 i took a huge banner that said YOU DESTROYED PINK FLOYD. and the scissor sisters saw it! some angry fan tore it down and then the lead singer woman picked it up and made a dress out of it i think, she said something like that on the radio and on this article on google.
the article has one disturbing incorrect fact though. scissor sisters say, "that fan put down the sign to dance".... the truth is it was torn down... and i certainly wouldnt dance to that sh*te music. i cant even "dance" let alone dance!
thats my claim to fame anyway.
as for their cover of comfortably numb, i safely label it GOD DAMN ATROCIOUS! they are the kind of band that take a good song and destroy it, kind of like a remix.
for another atrocious pink floyd cover, check out korns another brick in the wall. they actually merged all 3 parts together even though they arent meant to be played one after the other... well they SAY they merged all 3 tracks together. the track is called "Another Brick in the Wall (parts 1 - 3)" but it is acutally ABITW parts 1 and 2, with goodbye cruel world tagged onto the end. THEY SCREWED THAT UP BIG TIME.
bands like SS and KoRn shouldn't be allowed to butcher such classics. Next we'll have Anal c**t taking on the whole of echoes, in a 23 second song rather than 23 minutes! |
I guess you'll do for me frenchie.
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 20:08 |
Marillion, Pendragon, IQ, Rael and 90% of Neo Prog' are heavily influenced by Genesis.
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 21:50 |
Dick Heath wrote:
valravennz wrote:
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Actually come to think of it - I would have to agree to some extent with what you have said. As I reply, I am listening to Porcupine Tree who do have some Pink Floyd in there as well as "Grunge".
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I've got/heard 7 Porcupine Tree albums, and perhaps the earlier you go back more the Floyd can be heard - but grunge???????????????????????? My reference point for grunge is Nirvana (the Seattle one, not the psychedelic Uk one), tell me where to listen?
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Hiya - Yep "Grunge" is associated with Nirvana (Seattle). Other bands included Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Mother Love Bone all out of that area. I used the term "Grunge" as that is the label given to those bands. I noticed that some cords used reminded me of some Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains - Listen to Alice in Chains "Jar of Flies" and Pearl Jam's "Vs". I refer now specifically to Porcupine Tree's "The sound of muzak" and "waiting phase one".
Not for one minute would I label Porcupine Tree a "Grunge" band, but to my ears, there is some influence there - the more melodic parts of grunge.
I personally never cared for Nirvana's music. Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam were IMHO the only groups that were worth listening to.
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 23:31 |
valravennz wrote:
Dick Heath wrote:
valravennz wrote:
maani wrote:
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Actually come to think of it - I would have to agree to some extent with what you have said. As I reply, I am listening to Porcupine Tree who do have some Pink Floyd in there as well as "Grunge".
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I've got/heard 7 Porcupine Tree albums, and perhaps the earlier you go back more the Floyd can be heard - but grunge???????????????????????? My reference point for grunge is Nirvana (the Seattle one, not the psychedelic Uk one), tell me where to listen?
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Hiya - Yep "Grunge" is associated with Nirvana (Seattle). Other bands included Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Mother Love Bone all out of that area. I used the term "Grunge" as that is the label given to those bands. I noticed that some cords used reminded me of some Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains - Listen to Alice in Chains "Jar of Flies" and Pearl Jam's "Vs". I refer now specifically to Porcupine Tree's "The sound of muzak" and "waiting phase one".
Not for one minute would I label Porcupine Tree a "Grunge" band, but to my ears, there is some influence there - the more melodic parts of grunge.
I personally never cared for Nirvana's music. Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam were IMHO the only groups that were worth listening to.
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don't forget that Neil Young had a very grungy sound in the 80's if I'm not mistaken.
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Posted: March 23 2005 at 00:02 |
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Magenta has a Yes sound, Mostly Autumn's Brian Josh and Marillion's Steve Rothery both admit to being influenced by David Gilmour. Ars Nova doesn't remind me that much of ELP, but the other Japanese band "Social Tension" do. IQ may have moved away from their benefactor Genesis in studio sound, but their stage show is still Genesis derivative..
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Posted: March 23 2005 at 03:00 |
Early Yes were strongly influenced by Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young and the Beatles. They also did a Ritchie Havens cover, IIRC.
ELP copied as many classical composers as they could 
Just about every other non-metal prog band these days copy Radiohead to some extent. You can hear this in (non-Fish) Marillion and Porcupine Tree very clearly.
And I agree with maani - the influence of Pink Floyd is incredibly strong on a huge number of bands. Eloy blended the Floyd sound with Hawkwind's riff styling.
And the Scissor Sisters are repellent - especially for the mutilation of Pink Floyd - kudos, Frenchie!! 
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Posted: March 23 2005 at 03:21 |
maani wrote:
But Pink Floyd remains without question the broadest influence in the broadest number, and even types, of bands. I hear it in bands as disparate as Marillion, The Church, Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Ayreon, IQ, Pendragon, Arena - I could go on and on.
Peace.
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I agree. An not only prog: that 'post-rock' thing, which has been the 'hype' minority genre for the last years is just an extension of the Pink Floyd legacy mixed up with modern technology. Incidentally, I've always found PF a bit boring, while post rock stikes me just as utterly boring.
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valravennz
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Posted: March 23 2005 at 03:52 |
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
valravennz wrote:
Dick Heath wrote:
valravennz wrote:
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Actually come to think of it - I would have to agree to some extent with what you have said. As I reply, I am listening to Porcupine Tree who do have some Pink Floyd in there as well as "Grunge".
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I've got/heard 7 Porcupine Tree albums, and perhaps the earlier you go back more the Floyd can be heard - but grunge???????????????????????? My reference point for grunge is Nirvana (the Seattle one, not the psychedelic Uk one), tell me where to listen?
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Hiya - Yep "Grunge" is associated with Nirvana (Seattle). Other bands included Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Mother Love Bone all out of that area. I used the term "Grunge" as that is the label given to those bands. I noticed that some cords used reminded me of some Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains - Listen to Alice in Chains "Jar of Flies" and Pearl Jam's "Vs". I refer now specifically to Porcupine Tree's "The sound of muzak" and "waiting phase one".
Not for one minute would I label Porcupine Tree a "Grunge" band, but to my ears, there is some influence there - the more melodic parts of grunge.
I personally never cared for Nirvana's music. Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam were IMHO the only groups that were worth listening to.
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don't forget that Neil Young had a very grungy sound in the 80's if I'm not mistaken.
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Hi there - Yes he did. He took that as far as collaborating with Pearl Jam on tour and in the studio. "Mirror Ball" was released in 1995 using Pearl Jam as back-up group. Eddie Vedder contributed further by writing the lyrics to the track "Peace and Love".
Btw I personally think that "Mirror Ball" is highly underated by critics. It is one of my favourite Neil Young recordings. Cheers
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Posted: March 23 2005 at 06:22 |
Sky Moves Sideways is number 1, then its a toss up between Signify and
In Absentia for me, i also highly recommend their live album, Coma
Divine, recorded on the Signify tour, great versions of many of
their best songs.
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Posted: March 23 2005 at 07:59 |
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I actually prefer "In Absentia".
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Posted: March 23 2005 at 08:21 |
Others that are not necessary clones, but pretty heavily influenced by Keith Emerson are Par Lindh, Latte E Miele, a couple of US bands like Mastermind, Cairo, Monolith, Under the Sun, Tempest, a band from Norway called Kenneth, and as 3fates mentioned, Social Tension as well as Ars Nova from Japan.
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Posted: March 23 2005 at 10:30 |
The Barbarian wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
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Who do we think is the most copied Style of the big name prog bands.ie:ELP,Yes,Genesis ? |
ELP most definitely-I mean they virtually invented elevator music didnt they?
Actually Yes probably.
I can hear Yes' influence in the modern prog-metal bands,and certainly Rush,Styx and Starcastle have increasing degrees of Yes influence.
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if ELP make elevator music then i sure would like to be stuck in elevators quite often.
The one thing about ELP is that boring is not a word you would most likely use about them.Starcastle are a better band than Yes ever where at least starcaslte write tunes..
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Would you seriously claim that what Starcastle did was better than FRAGILE, CTTE and RELAYER and even the controverse TOTO? It's hard to believe! Did you really listen all these? I like as well pretty much the first two Starcastle albums, even although I find them very very similar to Yes around GOING FOR THE ONE-era. Maybe with the difference that they used a more rocking a bit more "easy-listening"approach. Just my opinion!
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Posted: March 23 2005 at 13:53 |
I'd say Pink Floyd and Dream Theater are the most copied bands in prog.
Floyd have been ripped off by everyone from Porcupine Tree* to the Cooper Temple Clause.
The only prog-metal bands I've heard who aren't DT rip-offs are Ark and PoS. And Devin Townsend, but I'm not sure exactly what I'd class him as.
*I should make it clear that I think PT are amazing, but some of their stuff (especially the early work) is straight out of the book of Floyd. There's a riff in Voyage 34 (Phase 1) which is right out of The Wall
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Posted: March 23 2005 at 16:02 |
Logos wrote:
frenchie wrote:
the biggest copy cats i have ever seen are symphony x. a bunch of over dramatic dream theater clones who look and dress similar as well as having similar artwork. DT originally put their band logo in every studio album cover and then SX did it too. they are WAY too similar to be original!
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And the V cover is very, very similar to DT's Awake-cover.
But it's also similar to Spock's Beard's V.
I don't know who copied from whom, but it's pretty obvious that both SX and Spock's Beard took the idea from the Awake cover.
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Does it matter about who copied the artwork, i know it may look good but you buy the album for the music not what is on the cover. Spock's Beard, Symphony X and Dream Theater are all brilliant and so what if SX create suimilar music to DT it is still good and is theirs they didn't copy the music they copied the style (Prog Metal) but then you can say DT copied their style of another band (can't think of one at the mo but you get my drift  )
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