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Zero the hero
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Topic: Progressive copy cats Posted: March 22 2005 at 14:08 |
Who do we think is the most copied Style of the big name prog bands.ie:ELP,Yes,Genesis ?
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frenchie
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 14:16 |
i hear that marillion take their style from genesis.
the biggest copy cats i have ever seen are symphony x. a bunch of over dramatic dream theater clones who look and dress similar as well as having similar artwork. DT originally put their band logo in every studio album cover and then SX did it too. they are WAY too similar to be original!
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 14:16 |
Zero the hero wrote:
Who do we think is the most copied Style of the big name prog bands.ie:ELP,Yes,Genesis ? |
ELP most definitely-I mean they virtually invented elevator music didnt they?
Actually Yes probably.
I can hear Yes' influence in the modern prog-metal bands,and certainly Rush,Styx and Starcastle have increasing degrees of Yes influence.
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Zero the hero
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 14:19 |
frenchie wrote:
i hear that marillion take their style from genesis.
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Yes i agree that Marillion are an excellent band within the Genesis style.
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 14:41 |
The big one is ELP/Triumvirat.........I never did get the Starcastle/Yes link but then I've only heard starcastle once about 7 years ago....
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Logos
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 15:35 |
frenchie wrote:
the biggest copy cats i have ever seen are symphony x. a bunch
of over dramatic dream theater clones who look and dress similar as
well as having similar artwork. DT originally put their band logo in
every studio album cover and then SX did it too. they are WAY too
similar to be original!
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And the V cover is very, very similar to DT's Awake-cover.
But it's also similar to Spock's Beard's V.
I don't know who copied from whom, but it's pretty obvious that both SX and Spock's Beard took the idea from the Awake cover.
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 15:50 |
Zero the hero wrote:
frenchie wrote:
i hear that marillion take their style from genesis.
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Yes i agree that Marillion are an excellent band within the Genesis style.
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While I agree that Marillion are an excellent band, I wouldn't go looking for similarities with Genesis, as they are very few and far between. In fact, the sound is nothing like Genesis - the only similarities I can think of is that Fish used to paint his face, and they once covered "I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) - but they never released that or any other cover.
I would say that Marillion's sound with Fish was unique.
In fact, I truly believe that people get them mixed up with IQ, who did initially sound remarkably similar to early Genesis.
Dream Theater copy riffs outright from Metallica
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 15:53 |
I'd have to say ELP. Emerson basically made the synthesizer an acceptable instrument. Yes were highly influential too.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 15:53 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
The big one is ELP/Triumvirat.........I never did
get the Starcastle/Yes link but then I've only heard starcastle once
about 7 years ago.... |
How about ELP/Trace. A lot of people
think that Rick van Der Linden is better than Emerson. But at the same
time Emerson is largely self-taught, learning to play piano at a young
age by the "little old ladies" in the nieghborhood where he grew up.
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Metropolis
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 16:04 |
frenchie wrote:
the biggest copy
cats i have ever seen are symphony x. a bunch of over dramatic
dream theater clones who look and dress similar as well as having
similar artwork. DT originally put their band logo in every studio
album cover and then SX did it too. they are WAY too similar to be
original!
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Except that they don't actually sound like Dream Theater And chances are that they didnt actually design their own cover art
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Yams
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 16:12 |
Yes and ELP because in some ways it's an easier sound to reproduce than something like the second era of King Crimson.
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 16:54 |
The Flower Kings always remind me of Yes.
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richardh
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 17:26 |
Yes and Genesis are the most copied bands.ELP had their seventies 'clone' Trimuvirat but very few bands have tried to copy their format of drums,keyboards,bass and NO lead guitar.UK did it for one album (Danger Money) and latterly Arsnova have the same format although both bands steered away from being ELP copycats and had or have their own style.
I would say the most cribbed peice of music is Genesis 'Squonk'.I hear that a lot in modern (post 1980) prog.
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valravennz
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 17:33 |
Some of Glass Hammer and Spock's Beard remind me of Yes.
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maani
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 17:46 |
I'm surprised at what I'm hearing. If I had to name the band whose influence I hear more broadly than any other in more neo-prog and neo-neo-prog - including prog metal, and including non-english-speaking prog - there is absolutely no question it is Pink Floyd. Sure, there is broad influence from Genesis, Yes, Moody Blues, King Crimson, ELP, and even Gentle Giant (more than most people know, especially in non-english-speaking prog). But Pink Floyd remains without question the broadest influence in the broadest number, and even types, of bands. I hear it in bands as disparate as Marillion, The Church, Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Ayreon, IQ, Pendragon, Arena - I could go on and on.
Peace.
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Aaron
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 17:46 |
good thing Star Castle hasnt been mentioned yet, i actually like them quite a bit
i kind of think they have their own sound, similarities to Yes, but a clone, i dont think so
I actually think their similarities are a combination of old Yes and new Yes (Ladder album)
Aaron
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valravennz
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 17:58 |
maani wrote:
I'm surprised at what I'm hearing. If I had to name the band whose influence I hear more broadly than any other in more neo-prog and neo-neo-prog - including prog metal, and including non-english-speaking prog - there is absolutely no question it is Pink Floyd. Sure, there is broad influence from Genesis, Yes, Moody Blues, King Crimson, ELP, and even Gentle Giant (more than most people know, especially in non-english-speaking prog). But Pink Floyd remains without question the broadest influence in the broadest number, and even types, of bands. I hear it in bands as disparate as Marillion, The Church, Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Ayreon, IQ, Pendragon, Arena - I could go on and on.
Peace.
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Actually come to think of it - I would have to agree to some extent with what you have said. As I reply, I am listening to Porcupine Tree who do have some Pink Floyd in there as well as "Grunge". Ayreon is most notably Pink Floyd influenced ( I read where he would love to have David Gilmour participate in one of his projects!). Pink Floyd's influence is far ranging but then so is Yes. How about a 50/50 split
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Zero the hero
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 18:04 |
While were on the subject of Pink Floyd.Don't we all love the scissors sisters for totally destroying a perfectly good Floyd track.
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The Barbarian
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 18:10 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Zero the hero wrote:
Who do we think is the most copied Style of the big name prog bands.ie:ELP,Yes,Genesis ? |
ELP most definitely-I mean they virtually invented elevator music didnt they?
Actually Yes probably.
I can hear Yes' influence in the modern prog-metal bands,and certainly Rush,Styx and Starcastle have increasing degrees of Yes influence.
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if ELP make elevator music then i sure would like to be stuck in elevators quite often.
The one thing about ELP is that boring is not a word you would most likely use about them.Starcastle are a better band than Yes ever where at least starcaslte write tunes..
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Posted: March 22 2005 at 18:17 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
The big one is ELP/Triumvirat.........I never did
get the Starcastle/Yes link but then I've only heard starcastle once
about 7 years ago.... |
I'm surprised. I first heard Starcastle by accident on BBC Radio
Teesside in 1977 or 78, turning on in the middle of one of their tunes
(first album?). Having never heard the band before and having somewhat
lost it with Yes, I really thought with dodgy radio reception I
was listening to something from the latest Yes album and thought
this was Yes back to the pre-Topoceans period. However, the vocalist
was not quite Anderson - however, with the likes of Dylan and his
motor cycle accident and subsequent voice change, you get to
wonder.......but the rest seemed very Yes-like. Probably my first
acquaintance with a prog band clone. However, by Real To Reel
Starcastle had to started to move away from sounding too Yes, but the
soft rock of some of that album's tunes, had me (then please note)
thinking of the pop rock of Bad Company
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