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Poll Question: Do you think that Terri Schiavo should be allowed to die or not?
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    Posted: March 20 2005 at 16:30
This case has really been getting a lot of attention in the U.S. Congress is now intervening, attempting to pass legislation to force the feeding tube to be put back in her. It looks like the legislation will pass. What do you all think of this? If you are comfortable saying so, what are your reasons?

I will wait for awhile for other responses before stating my own opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2005 at 16:45

Of course it is a difficult and emotive subject.

The biggest problem with cases where there is no "Living Will" is that the only person who truly knows the answer is unable to speak for theirself.

It is an invidious position for her husband and family to be in and it is too easy to criticise them.I,for one,have no criticism whatsoever of either party.

 I feel that in cases like this it is impossible for the those closest to the patient to be objective about any solution.
It is my understanding that she has been like this for 15 years...the doctors should decide and I believe they would prefer to let nature take its unfortunate course.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2005 at 18:16

The problem is not whether Terry is allowed to die or not.  The problem is the inhumane way in which she has to die if she is allowed...

When my mother died, she had a massive coronary and they brought her partly back.. but she had no brain function whatsoever. After a week of testing.. and nothing, we had to detach her from the breathing tube. Watching her struggle for breath for those last few hours was the hardest thing us kids ever had to do. But it was only a couple of hours.. and she couldn't breath on her own... I still struggle with the memory.

This case in Florida is a lot different. She is breathing on her own, they want to stop feeding her... and that could take over a week for her to pass on. I think that is inhumane. How can you stand by and watch that for a week. I realize we don't even know if she feels anything, and from a religious standpoint, her soul could have already passed on... but to starve her to death...that just doesn't seem right.

For a condemned criminal, the State can decide to give him painless instant death with a lethal injection, but for our loved ones... we starve them to death.  We'd do more for a horse if he was suffering! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2005 at 18:26

It's not really about Terry Schiavo anymore...this subject could have come up anytime. There's a sh*tload of people in the same situation (I don't have the exact number, but I think sh*tload is pretty close) but for some reason this case has become the one to attract attention.

Perhaps it's because her autonomous system is occasionally visibly reacting to stimuli; so every interested party can see the automatic nervous system reactions and be mistakenly led to believe that she is actually somewhat conscious despite all available medical information to the contrary....which just happens to play right into the hands of the Republican agenda.

Big stories like this usually mean there's something else going on from which the media has been instructed to distract us.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 00:16
I have to say that personally...while I tend to like more things the Republicans do than not, this one is rubbing me the wrong way. (I'm kind of a Christie Whitman type Republican...see her book for what I mean.)

I feel like they've tried to turn it into a political point-scoring game, and that's no way to regard a woman's life. If she's to live, then it should be the choice of the family. If she's to die, she should die without this kind of brouhaha for everyone to go through. The case started out as a nasty he-said, she-said, and now it's some damn political game. Personally my inclination is that this has been drawn out to horrible proportions both for Terri herself and for the family. If it were me, I would want people to allow me to die, for nature to take its course.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 00:23

Originally posted by FloydWright FloydWright wrote:

 If it were me, I would want people to allow me to die, for nature to take its course.

That's the problem tho... taking away her feeding tube and starving her to death.. is not nature taking its course... t

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 00:26
the president made a trip just to sign the paper, like right away. Keep in mind he didnt do anyhting for 3 hours when the sept 11 thing happened OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! he just sat there in the little kids classroom,trying to keep reading the book for the children. he was  looking mightly ill! (Because he camer acros a 4 syilible WORD AHAHAHAH!) serously though, our president is luny! oh and lets hope the old lady lives! lets hope that noone EVER FEELS PAIN AND DIES! GUYS !COMON. SHES GOT IT GOOD.!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 00:46
I think that is very inappropriate to bring 9-11 into this. Don't you think that there were security considerations going into the President's staying in Sarasota? Like, assessing the threat and figuring out where would be safe to take him so we didn't lose the head of state. And you have to remember, they DID NOT KNOW how many other hijacked planes might be in the air. Don't you think they were waiting for the groundstop to take effect, so they could be sure it was safe to move him? Maybe you're an asshole enough to want him dead (and you admit that at your own peril if you do), but just TRY...I know it's hard for Michael Moore fanboys like you, but just TRY to think a bit more realistically about that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 00:58
At first I thought she should live, but if the government is going to intervene...does that mean the public pays taxes for her? Let her die!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 01:03
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 01:57
Euthansia for the terminally ill who are suffering or those who like Schiavo are in a permanently vegetative state has to be a legal option if we are to evolve.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 02:10
Originally posted by Trotsky Trotsky wrote:

permanently vegetative state .


lie.

Prove it?

We don't know
-if she'll ever wake up (but the chance is dang well more worth it than letting her die)
-if she actually IS in a vegetative state, meaning no thinking and all, modern physicians would have one believe a coma is nothing than a long sleep, thus thinking. If we let her die in such a state, it's murder in every way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 03:52

Originally posted by JrKASperov JrKASperov wrote:

Originally posted by Trotsky Trotsky wrote:

permanently vegetative state .


lie.

Prove it?

We don't know
-if she'll ever wake up (but the chance is dang well more worth it than letting her die)
-if she actually IS in a vegetative state, meaning no thinking and all, modern physicians would have one believe a coma is nothing than a long sleep, thus thinking. If we let her die in such a state, it's murder in every way.

You're right Euthanasia is murder. Not in every way, though ... in a humane way.

You're also right ... who's to say some scientist somewhere isn't 3 days away from discovering a cure that will return someone like Ms. Schiavo to normal health? That's why I feel euthanasia should almost be like the organ donation thing. We should carry cards, or make living wills ... but there will always be loopholes ... I just saw footage last night where her brother implied that her husband initially stood to gain financially and wanted to marry someone else too ... 

I'm sure there would be all kinds of attempted violations if human beings were to allow euthanasia ... but are you telling me that there are no circumstances under which you would want yourself to be allowed to die? It might well happen to us one day ... it's probably happened to some of our loved ones already ...

It's not the most wonderful cause to have argue for ... but a new open-minded look at the possibility of assisted deaths for the terminally ill is something I would certainly welcome ... (of course most of you guys are in the "first world" where such a thing can be discussed ... in my neck of the woods, it remains taboo)

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 05:31

^ interesting point, Trotsky.

Here in the 'first world' we have many more options to keep dying people alive, and I wonder sometimes if that makes life less valuable. To cure a disease or repair an injury, returning the person to the point where they can live thier life, is definitely a benefit of medical science...but to have a wealth of options to prolong sickness and the process of dying, even with the best intentions, seems to create more suffering on everyone's part. And even with the benefits of medical science, our life expectancy is decreasing and the number of 'patients' increasing.

And those left behind have weeks, months, or years of memories of their loved ones dying, overshadowing the good stuff they should be remembering about them. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 05:52

Well, I understand the answer is not easy, but I'm completely on the side of let her die (or better, kill her). Or maybe, because I know we are talking about the life of a vegetable with a human shape, the correct expressions would be "let it die" and "kill it". The human being that was there went away 15 years ago... Sorry I can't talk about her soul, first I'd need to believe in its existence, but I understand it adds some complexity for those of you who are believers.

And I don't want to start a nasty fight with this, but I want to add that I find quite intriguing that, as Threefates stated, for a condemned criminal, your State (you) can decide to give him painless instant death with a lethal injection, and many of you stay cold with that, whilst you make such a mess about the Schiavo case... I simply don't understand it...

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