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Topic: The Doors Posted: July 22 2005 at 01:59 |
BaldJean wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
philippe wrote:
One of the most overrated
band in the history of rock music (with the beatles and the Rolling
Stones). You say that nobody talk about them on this forum, right, but
what do you think of Arthur Brown, The seventh son, Bobby Callendar,
Zendik...? nobody talks about them (in any place) despite that their
music is more innovative than the others |
The Beatles and The Stones are overrated?????? |
The Stones definitely are overrated.
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Yeah I can't stand the stones, other than Satisfaction, paint it black,
and gimme shelter (Grand Funk Railroad did a far superior
version of gimme shelter - it rocks way more and way louder)
But on the topic, I love the doors, i have the doors, morrison hotel,
and waiting for the sun (not so great, but has some highlights)
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The Wizard
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 12:34 |
The Doors are a great band. They brought the keyboard into rock music.
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Guillermo
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Posted: July 18 2005 at 23:42 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Guillermo wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Morrisson was a big influence on my late teenagehood, As I had read "Noone here gets out alive" (which Oliver Stone used for his movie some 12 years later), but reading further books (most notably Stephen Davies) , I think that he was deranged enough and borderline asshole (especially on Densmore ..... and Krieger) , but lacked the most elementary respect for a lot of people.
Can you blame the man, as he had an admiral for a father and this was Vietnam times, though?
Although not prog per se, The doors had many overtones to be worthy of mention in the PA but not inclusion.
Strange Days and LA Woman were their best album.
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Hello, Sean Trane:
Well, it seems to me that you are a Psychiatrist or a Psychologist. Maybe this is not the Forum to comment these things, but maybe you are talking about Morrison being a "borderline", or maybe that he had a "Borderline Personality Disorder", or maybe I`m understanding wrongly your comment!
I think that Morrison had several problems in his life and in his behaviour.But I don`t like Oliver Stone`s movie about The Doors and the way he describes Morrison with the acting of Val Kilmer. In 1997 I read in an English rock magazine (now defunct) called "VOX" an interview with Ray Manzarek. He was asked about this movie and he said that it is "crap". I also read in the Internet that Stone worked with John Densmore about the script for the film, and that Densmore wrote a book about his life with The Doors, and that he also described Morrison`s behavior as Stone did in the movie. This led to some problems between Densmore and the other ex-members of The Doors who also didn`t like the way Morrison was described by Desnmore in his book. So, it was one of the reasons why Densmore is not playing with them. Another reason is that Densmore didn`t like that Krieger and Manzarek were using the name "The Doors" anymore, so there were some legal problems between Densmore and the other two, and the new line-up of the band is now called "The Doors of the XXI Century".
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By using borderline I meant as limit . Although I admired him greatly and still think of him as a poet , and a half genious , his cocky attitude would severely bother me nowadays. He cwould be no more than the OAsis Gallagher bros. But he did write the book on obnoxious rock stars
As for Densmore, He would've been part of the The Doors reunion tour had the other guys not left him sidetracked as he had health problems , had to be operated . Manzarek and Krieger did not want to postpone and wait for him, took on another drummer. This pissed off Densmore who then tried to stop them.
Then came in the Morrison family , trying to recuperate the fame and money by also stopping the use of name The Doors. This has to be the most scandalous behaviour from estranged family ever. Even Hendrix estates fights are less scandalous than that.
As Stone's movie , it was not succesful, but it was also dumb to even try to romance the life of a band so well documented.
PS: I am not psych-iatrist/ologist!
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I`m sure that I read in the Internet the commentaries about why Densmore is not in the line-up of "The Doors of the XXI Century". Anyway, I can`t remember now where I read them. It was a long time ago. Maybe two years ago.
I also remember that Stewart Copleand, the drummer who replaced Densmore after the "VH1 Storytellers" TV programme also sued Manzarek and Krieger after being "fired" from the line-up. He was replaced by another drummer whose name I don`t remember now.
Edited by Guillermo
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Bilek
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Posted: July 18 2005 at 06:00 |
I agree with the opinion that Doors are one of the psych/proto-prog bands, since they first popped up in 1967. I think it was likely for them to go into prog completely, had Morrison not died, of course otherwise was also possible.
I love light my fire since the day I first heard it. It has one of the most beautiful organ-guitar jams made on rock scene ever. (no matter if it's prog or not, besides, you can find many other prog-like songs in their discography)
The aspect what I don't like about them is that they get too bluesy sometimes, which is also true for Led Zep, Hendrix, and even Zappa.
Those who mentioned albums upstairs: you might want to check out The Soft Parade, which is definitely an unusual doors album!
P.S. :I believe Doors are more prog than Asia and Barclay James Harvest for most of the time!!!
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Dragon Phoenix
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Posted: July 18 2005 at 04:39 |
digdug wrote:
Riders on the Storm is another awesome song.
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Their best, IMHO. A definite 10/10 scoring track.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 18 2005 at 03:56 |
Guillermo wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Morrisson was a big influence on my late teenagehood, As I had read "Noone here gets out alive" (which Oliver Stone used for his movie some 12 years later), but reading further books (most notably Stephen Davies) , I think that he was deranged enough and borderline asshole (especially on Densmore ..... and Krieger) , but lacked the most elementary respect for a lot of people.
Can you blame the man, as he had an admiral for a father and this was Vietnam times, though?
Although not prog per se, The doors had many overtones to be worthy of mention in the PA but not inclusion.
Strange Days and LA Woman were their best album.
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Hello, Sean Trane:
Well, it seems to me that you are a Psychiatrist or a Psychologist. Maybe this is not the Forum to comment these things, but maybe you are talking about Morrison being a "borderline", or maybe that he had a "Borderline Personality Disorder", or maybe I`m understanding wrongly your comment!
I think that Morrison had several problems in his life and in his behaviour.But I don`t like Oliver Stone`s movie about The Doors and the way he describes Morrison with the acting of Val Kilmer. In 1997 I read in an English rock magazine (now defunct) called "VOX" an interview with Ray Manzarek. He was asked about this movie and he said that it is "crap". I also read in the Internet that Stone worked with John Densmore about the script for the film, and that Densmore wrote a book about his life with The Doors, and that he also described Morrison`s behavior as Stone did in the movie. This led to some problems between Densmore and the other ex-members of The Doors who also didn`t like the way Morrison was described by Desnmore in his book. So, it was one of the reasons why Densmore is not playing with them. Another reason is that Densmore didn`t like that Krieger and Manzarek were using the name "The Doors" anymore, so there were some legal problems between Densmore and the other two, and the new line-up of the band is now called "The Doors of the XXI Century".
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By using borderline I meant as limit . Although I admired him greatly and still think of him as a poet , and a half genious , his cocky attitude would severely bother me nowadays. He cwould be no more than the OAsis Gallagher bros. But he did write the book on obnoxious rock stars
As for Densmore, He would've been part of the The Doors reunion tour had the other guys not left him sidetracked as he had health problems , had to be operated . Manzarek and Krieger did not want to postpone and wait for him, took on another drummer. This pissed off Densmore who then tried to stop them.
Then came in the Morrison family , trying to recuperate the fame and money by also stopping the use of name The Doors. This has to be the most scandalous behaviour from estranged family ever. Even Hendrix estates fights are less scandalous than that.
As Stone's movie , it was not succesful, but it was also dumb to even try to romance the life of a band so well documented.
PS: I am not psych-iatrist/ologist!
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Don_Frog
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Posted: July 16 2005 at 12:12 |
I used to like them a lot, but don't listen to them much any more.
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Posted: July 16 2005 at 00:15 |
I couldn't of liked much of the music I listen to now if it had not been for them.
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Guillermo
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Posted: July 15 2005 at 02:23 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Morrisson was a big influence on my late teenagehood, As I had read "Noone here gets out alive" (which Oliver Stone used for his movie some 12 years later), but reading further books (most notably Stephen Davies) , I think that he was deranged enough and borderline asshole (especially on Densmore ..... and Krieger) , but lacked the most elementary respect for a lot of people.
Can you blame the man, as he had an admiral for a father and this was Vietnam times, though?
Although not prog per se, The doors had many overtones to be worthy of mention in the PA but not inclusion.
Strange Days and LA Woman were their best album.
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Hello, Sean Trane:
Well, it seems to me that you are a Psychiatrist or a Psychologist. Maybe this is not the Forum to comment these things, but maybe you are talking about Morrison being a "borderline", or maybe that he had a "Borderline Personality Disorder", or maybe I`m understanding wrongly your comment!
I think that Morrison had several problems in his life and in his behaviour.But I don`t like Oliver Stone`s movie about The Doors and the way he describes Morrison with the acting of Val Kilmer. In 1997 I read in an English rock magazine (now defunct) called "VOX" an interview with Ray Manzarek. He was asked about this movie and he said that it is "crap". I also read in the Internet that Stone worked with John Densmore about the script for the film, and that Densmore wrote a book about his life with The Doors, and that he also described Morrison`s behavior as Stone did in the movie. This led to some problems between Densmore and the other ex-members of The Doors who also didn`t like the way Morrison was described by Desnmore in his book. So, it was one of the reasons why Densmore is not playing with them. Another reason is that Densmore didn`t like that Krieger and Manzarek were using the name "The Doors" anymore, so there were some legal problems between Densmore and the other two, and the new line-up of the band is now called "The Doors of the XXI Century".
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digdug
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 23:50 |
The Doors were a great band......Riders on the Storm is another awesome song.
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The Walrus
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 07:36 |
I really like The Doors. I only have their first album, but I think
it's verry good! I love the way Ray Manzarek plays the organ!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 03:23 |
Morrisson was a big influence on my late teenagehood, As I had read "Noone here gets out alive" (which Oliver Stone used for his movie some 12 years later), but reading further books (most notably Stephen Davies) , I think that he was deranged enough and borderline asshole (especially on Densmore ..... and Krieger) , but lacked the most elementary respect for a lot of people.
Can you blame the man, as he had an admiral for a father and this was Vietnam times, though?
Although not prog per se, The doors had many overtones to be worthy of mention in the PA but not inclusion.
Strange Days and LA Woman were their best album.
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 03:20 |
My history teacher made a power point about 3 months ago about the hightened nuclear tension and fear of nuclear holocaust during the Cold War and used the Doors song "The End" as the soundtrack. He thought it was apt. I was so f**king happy. The only way it could have been better was if he played "Two Suns in the Sunset" from The Final Cut.
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Posted: July 13 2005 at 21:59 |
BaldJean wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
philippe wrote:
One of the most overrated
band in the history of rock music (with the beatles and the Rolling
Stones). |
The Beatles and The Stones are overrated?????? |
The Stones definitely are overrated.
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Yes the Stones are very overrated. Their music is pretty boring for the most part.
I used to like The Doors, but don't really care for them anymore.
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 13:56 |
the doors is one of my favourite bands ever... i like them since i ´ve 8 years old... and im still like them...
my favourite song is when the music´s over and the best album IMO is strange days
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 03:17 |
Not prog but a great band. Their debut hardly has a
duff track - I particularly love The Crystal Ship, Take it
Easy and Break on Through.
Waiting for the Sun might be their proggiest LP -
especially Spanish Caravan and The Unknown
Soldier.
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 01:55 |
I love their music. Very skilled musicians. However, I wouldn't consider them Prog. Just good ol' rock n' roll.
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Posted: July 10 2005 at 08:46 |
If you like the Doors - try early Stranglers stuff .
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BaldJean
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Posted: July 10 2005 at 02:30 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
philippe wrote:
One of the most overrated
band in the history of rock music (with the beatles and the Rolling
Stones). You say that nobody talk about them on this forum, right, but
what do you think of Arthur Brown, The seventh son, Bobby Callendar,
Zendik...? nobody talks about them (in any place) despite that their
music is more innovative than the others |
The Beatles and The Stones are overrated?????? |
The Stones definitely are overrated.
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Posted: July 10 2005 at 00:05 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
I like doors, but it suffered a little inflation, as it was played so much during my youth. I was at highschool, when Oliver Stone's "The Doors" movie was released in Finland, and this movie made their music very popular among the youth.
I think that Doors wasn't so popular at Finland as it was elsewhere, when Morrison was still alive?
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One of my older brothers was in his teenager years a very good fan of The Doors. So, between 1970 and 1975 I listened to their albums a lot, including the albums The Doors recorded as a trio (after Morrison`s death):"Other Voices" (1971) and "Full Circle" (1972) (both since a long time ago out of print despite being good albums; it seems that they are available on CD in Russia, but they are "unauthorized releases", bootlegs).
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