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As someone who has been blessed/cursed with the libido of a Buddhist monk,I must say the groupie phenomenon baffled me for many years. Take this scenario: A man works as a mailman. He does not have screaming girls tearing his clothes off whenever he is seen in public. He then forms a rock band. They become very popular. Now this very same man has screaming girls tearing his clothes off whenever he is seen in public. The only thing that has changed is that he is now on a stage with a guitar as opposed to walking the streets carrying a mailbag. THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. And yet it means going from being completely ignored by most women to becoming the sexiest man in the world. Mick Jagger is a very,very unattractive man. And if he had been Mick Jagger the accountant and not Mick Jagger the rockstar his sexlife would have dwindled to having sex occasionally with his wife,if he had been able to obtain one, looking like one of Dr. Frankenstein's failed experiments as he does. But since he is posturing about on a stage in front of a rock band he becomes unbelievably sexy to women who OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE IGNORED HIM COMPLETLY. This didn't make sense to me until I started reading zoology and anthropology. It's a well know fact that the female of most species that has what we would refer to as a mating ritual (not all species do) responds most favourably to the alpha male,ie. the male that somehow manages to stand out from the herd/flock/group. That is what all the fighting in the mating season is all about: Emerging as the strongest male so that the females want to mate with you. And the theory is that the reason why women find a man on a stage attractive for no other reason than that he is on that stage is that he has emerged as an alpha male,he stands out among the other males of the species as being someone of superior abilities to the other males. After all: He's up on that stage wowing thousands of people unlike the anymous everymen they meet everyday,that makes him special,he's managed something not so many males manage,it means he has superior genetic material,so they'll want to mate with him. It's why stags butt heads and it's why young men pick up electric guitars,the mating ritual is depressingly similar and familar. It's also the reason why women find men in powerful positions more attractive than men who aren't. It's the subconscious drive to seek out the best genetic material for her offspring,whether the female in question is a beetle,a goldfish or a woman. The reason women (well a lot of them anyway) deny this is quite simply as I said: It's a subconscious drive that rarely,if at all,surfaces into the conscious mind. Most of what we do is not based on conscious decisions but subconscious instincts genetically passed down the many generations since we first stood upright on the African plain and they still form the basis of most of our actions. Hence the groupie phenomenon. And now Threefates can refute this as I'm sure as an emancipated American woman who came of age in the 70's and 80's,brought up on feminist rubbish,she will do.

And this was far too much for me to write these days so I think I''ll have a lie down now.

Could partially be true... but then not necessarily.  If that was all there was too it, I'd have gone after Keith Emerson instead..

Sorry, but you just don't understand women at all.  It has to do with our hearts.  I was 17 when I met Greg Lake for the first time.  It really wouldn't have mattered who or what he was, when he smiled at me the first time, my knees collapsed. The first time he called my name, my body quivered from head to toe.. and 30 years later I still remember it... He was just the most beautiful thing I had ever seen... I would have gone with him, if he had been a long shoreman on the docks..

And actually, as a man you might think that Mick Jagger is unattractive... and Keith Richards.. but there was a time, when they were really cute...

threefates wrote: Could partially be true... but then not necessarily.  If that was all there was too it, I'd have gone after Keith Emerson instead.. Sorry, but you just don't understand women at all.  It has to do with our hearts.  I was 17 when I met Greg Lake for the first time.  It really wouldn't have mattered who or what he was, when he smiled at me the first time, my knees collapsed. The first time he called my name, my body quivered from head to toe.. and 30 years later I still remember it... He was just the most beautiful thing I had ever seen... I would have gone with him, if he had been a long shoreman on the docks.. And actually, as a man you might think that Mick Jagger is unattractive... and Keith Richards.. but there was a time, when they were really cute...

Well,I wasn't thinking of you really,more groupies in general who,you can't deny,have sex with men who are famous for no other reason than that they are famous. And I wasn't advancing a pet theory of my own but relaying the latest thinking in zoology and anthropology. And if you're actually (or at least were) genuinely in love with Greg Lake,that's rather sweet. I'm a romantic at heart. But there's absolutely no doubt that the alpha male impulse is very strong in human females as it is in most females across the zoological spectrum.

frenchie wrote: Pixel Pirate wrote: threefates wrote: Could partially be true... but then not necessarily.  If that was all there was too it, I'd have gone after Keith Emerson instead.. Sorry, but you just don't understand women at all.  It has to do with our hearts.  I was 17 when I met Greg Lake for the first time.  It really wouldn't have mattered who or what he was, when he smiled at me the first time, my knees collapsed. The first time he called my name, my body quivered from head to toe.. and 30 years later I still remember it... He was just the most beautiful thing I had ever seen... I would have gone with him, if he had been a long shoreman on the docks.. And actually, as a man you might think that Mick Jagger is unattractive... and Keith Richards.. but there was a time, when they were really cute...     Well,I wasn't thinking of you really,more groupies in general who,you can't deny,have sex with men who are famous for no other reason than that they are famous. And I wasn't advancing a pet theory of my own but relaying the latest thinking in zoology and anthropology. And if you're actually (or at least were) genuinely in love with Greg Lake,that's rather sweet. I'm a romantic at heart. But there's absolutely no doubt that the alpha male impulse is very strong in human females as it is in most females across the zoological spectrum. talk like that will only leave you sleeping on the couch

I have somehow managed to obtain a girfriend along the path of my life and she's never made me sleep on the couch. On the floor occasionally but never the couch.

Karny and 3fates are annoying because they are closeminded to other prog bands and don't promote them as vigorously. With 3fates it's all about Greg. Any newbie that joins the forum can spot that right away. It's tiresome.

How many more times do i i have to say that i don't listern to ELP that much.I actually listern to many many other bands,mostly proto prog bands.Just that i find ELP to be the better band at that time...i think you'll find three fates has mentioned in a past thread that she also has appreciation of other bands.

Believe me i've started or added to threads  regarding other early prog bands i favour,but had no continuation..leads me to believe that many members in the room are either total oblivious of have never heard of these bands...so wheres that leave me over even attemping to start on about them...

I have a massive prog vinyl collection & equally massive knowlage of bands that seems to be very much wasted in the room...So how am i close minded!

Being confronted everyday with threads started about non-prog bands of new fangled bands which people think they can pass as prog....now that's tiresome.

frenchie wrote:

you think you have problems, i had to have my penis amputated!

You poor B*****d...

frenchie wrote: thats right... i am living proof that a man still still survive after having his head cut off

dang,just beat me to it.........

anyway,I thought you got itchy feet in February and "was never seen again..........?"