Jethro Tull’s "Thick As a Brick" #1 Prog?

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Whether you are tired of seeing "Thick As A Brick" as #1 or not, it is the overwhelming consensis of the people who have reviewed and rated that album.

Don't proclaim to speak for all Tull fans. I think it is worthy. Stop whining. The world does not revolve around you.

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Uh...okay, dad.

The point is I don't think it is the overwhelming consensus of all people who've rated albums. I think the logic by which they determined this is not taking other considerations into account.

I think it's pretty clear to most prog fans (and yes, at this moment, I do proclaim to speak for them; forgive my audacity) do not see "Brick" as the #1 prog album of all time. Of course its a great album and it's worthy of being discussed among the greats, but, if we must rate them, I believe it is the #1 choice of a small minority.

Task for Possessed: Using the small part of your mind isn't caught up in self-righteousness, try to imagine how the prog rock rating system might allow this to happen, even if its not really the choice of them members of the list. I know it may be hard for you, but I think you can get there.

Peace.

Possessed wrote: bluetailfly wrote: I think it's pretty clear to most prog fans (and yes, at this moment, I do proclaim to speak for them; forgive my audacity) Task for bluetailfly: Explain how you are ordained with such powers as to proclaim to speak for all prog fans?

Okay, Mr. Possessed. Let me turn it back on you. Do you believe that if a poll was taken across this forum, that "Thick as a Brick" would emerge the #1 choice?

And, at times, Mr. Processed, I do believe one can speak for a group of people to whom they feel a kinship. For instance, I believe I can speak for most King Crimson fans by stating that "Cat Food" is probably not the #1 song of all KC fans. Much as I like the song, I know enough about KC fans to pretty safely conclude it wouldn't be #1. Does this bother you that I say this?

So, Mr. Processor, I don't really find that my speaking for a group of people to be so objectionable in this situation (except to you).

Getting back to the point, I was more concerned as to how this #1 rating is determined. If in fact, Tull's "Brick" did turn out to be the #1 album choice of all prog forum members, I would back off and say, wow, I must have been wrong in my assumption of prog fans and their favorites. But until such time, I believe most prog fans, would not choose "Brick."

frosty wrote: I see this turning into another Reed v KE9 situation.

Or Reed v Frosty,if you want!

the situation was KE9 v everybody (except ELP fans)thanks very much!

frenchie wrote: Easy Livin wrote: frenchie wrote: i wish they would get rid of that list! its gonna cause so many disagreements, i dont see why we need to have a list of the best albums when we have a key albums list and a soon to arrive history of prog. Disagreements are good. Without them the forum would be dull dull dull. (First one to rhyme dull with Jethro Tull gets a Cliff Richard CD!) the cure is worse than the disease!

the Cure are worse than most bands in my opinion!

The problem is that it is very difficult to come up with a rating system that is not going to dissappoint some people. Basing #1 on ratings from reviews seems about as fair as this site can get. Doesn't the fact that more reviews of this album boast 5 star ratings than any other album on the site mean anything? I think it does fairly reflect the current rating consensus of reviewers on this site. Reviewers are not equivalent to forum members but that is another topic. In any event the list is constantly changing. In about 12/04, the top ten went like this:

1. Genesis - Foxtrot

2. Genesis - Nursery Cryme

3. Pink Floyd - Animals

4. Genesis - Selling England By The Pound

5. Yes - CTTE

6. Anglagard - Hybris.

7. Anglagard - Epilog

8. Yes - Fragile

9. Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick

10. Pink Floyd - Meddle 

Obviously, the current top ten is dramatically different from what it was in 12/04. The list is like the weather, wait a while and it will change. I'm not sure how long it will take for enough 5-star reviews to put another album at the top, but rest assured it will happen.

I find the list interesting though not always comprehendable to me. A very curious thing to me is how no Dream Theater album was in the top 50 in 12/04 and now there are three entries by Dream Theater in the top 50. This is very curious to me, especially with the highly divided opinions that have recently been expressed in the forums regarding Dream Theater. Just goes to emphasize the point that reviewers are a larger group than the forum members. All in all, I enjoy browsing the list from time to time, but in evaluating an album from reviews, I pay more attention to reviews from names I recognize from the forums. 

bluetailfly wrote: And, at times, Mr. Processed, I do believe one can speak for a group of people to whom they feel a kinship. For instance, I believe I can speak for most King Crimson fans by stating that "Cat Food" is probably not the #1 song of all KC fans. So, Mr. Processor, I don't really find that my speaking for a group of people to be so objectionable in this situation (except to you).

Thanks for purposely misspelling my name twice. Since you are taking this so personally, I suggest that you take a deep breath, then exhale. Feel better? OK, fine. To disagree is one thing, however, to believe that you can speak for most fans is disillusional. Don't make assumptions about what fans think. It makes you look self-righteous.

Possessed wrote: bluetailfly wrote: And, at times, Mr. Processed, I do believe one can speak for a group of people to whom they feel a kinship. For instance, I believe I can speak for most King Crimson fans by stating that "Cat Food" is probably not the #1 song of all KC fans. So, Mr. Processor, I don't really find that my speaking for a group of people to be so objectionable in this situation (except to you). Thanks for purposely misspelling my name twice. Since you are taking this so personally, I suggest that you take a deep breath, then exhale. Feel better? OK, fine. To disagree is one thing, however, to believe that you can speak for most fans is disillusional. Don't make assumptions about what fans think. It makes you look self-righteous.

This is getting tedious, oh possessed one; you seem unable to let this go. Look, let it go. It's not that big of a deal. Why are you taking this so personally? Gotta have the last word!

Look, occaisionally, people speak what they believe to be true of a group of people they are familar with. It's no big deal. They're not delusional. They're just speaking their minds about how they see the matter.

To get back to the point; it's merely the rating system I am inquiring about.

As for me being self-righteous, go back and read your initial posting. Yeah, you're real fair-minded. Now go eat cookie or something.