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    Posted: February 21 2005 at 06:31

inspired by the 'speakers' discussion, I wanted to get everyone's feedback (har har) on my listening situation of choice: headphones.

Personally, I prefer headphones over good speakers. I do miss the heart-shaking bass frequencies a little, but it's worth it to me to have such an intimate and controllable experience.

I've heard that stereo reproduction in headphones is misleading...yet I get a better stereo image with absolutely no concern for placement (I don't have to worry about my relation to the speakers, the speakers' relation to each other, or phenomena like standing waves and reflections).

And it goes without saying that a decent pair of headphones is much cheaper than a decent pair of speakers.

So please tell me what I'm not taking into account!

Plus, if you have any recommendations for high quality headphones, I'm all ears (sorry, couldn't resist).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2005 at 07:39
I can't use headphones for long time, after a while they becomes uncomfortable. But I find the listening experience with headphones richful than with external speakers; with headphones I'm able to distinguish sounds and stereo effects that cannot hear with speakers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2005 at 07:57

 Actually most albums are mixed for speakers and  headphones (especially true for Floyd albums but 70's prog in general), so this thing about misleading stereo reproduction is a myth , IMO.

My idea of what is good headphones is very important to me because of three things.

The confort of the cushion and the weight of the headset. If I am to wear them frequently, they must be confortable and have a possibility to replace the cushions , if not then your sweat (we all do ) in the long terms will destroy the fabric and will eventually stink up the pads.

Avoid those cordless infra-red stuff because of parasitic noises.....And the transmitter, same debate as the cell phone stuck in the proximity of the brain area. The sound quality is sh*t (or I have yet to hear a good one). The cord should not be a coil (like a telephone handset cord) as this creates problems in the long term.

I would advise you to avoid japanese headphones (as for speakers) because they color the sound of the music. I play my cds on the CD direct button on because all these frequency analysers are pure BS (every single filter or resistor creates its own noise especially in between the source and the speaker). Generally, for headphones, I will choose something in the line of Sennheiser or AKG. Specialized brandnames into speakers/headphones are naturally the better options but the prices are sometimes ridiculous.

I have derogated only twice to the third rule taking a Sony headphone but have not had to complaint about it. When in my teens  I took some excellent Pioneer phones but they started getting loaded in static after four or five years because of two reasons: the coil-like cord was distorted, and the volume control on the set getting dust inside the potentiometer. So never again a volume control on the phones itself.

Hope this was the kind of advise you were hoping for.....



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2005 at 15:26
Sennheisers make other headphones redundant! Once you've tried a pair, there's no going back - built for comfort AND great sound. I've been told that adding a headphone amp to the chain is the step after graduating to Senns, but I haven't gone that far in my quest for audio nirvana... yet!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2005 at 18:20

My first pair of decent phones were Audio Technica Ath-1 about 25 yrs ago (?), I have tried Sennheisers-which are very good. However about 6 or 7 years ago i auditioned a pair of Grado Phones and I love them.Managed to buy a pair of second-hand Grado 325's for £100 and they are the best.Clap

About £250 brand new,but worth every penny!!!!!

BTW the reference headphone they do has won awards all over USA and Europe

GRADO RA1 HEADPHonE AMP

Set you back about £400 for the RA1's Cert!Pinch



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2005 at 18:28
Actually the most jaw-droppingly awesome headphones I've ever used are the Bose noise-canceling headphones. Once you've used them for a while, nothing compares to them. Give them a try. Bose will send you a pair free for 30 days. It's worth the try. They are expensive, but imo well worth every cent. I use them all the time and have heard subtle instrumentation for the first time (on CDs I've heard hundreds of times, like "Wish You Were Here") that I've never heard before.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2005 at 06:22
Sennheiser HD-600 is the "cheap" one which works
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2005 at 16:17
Another alternative is AKG K 1000, but cost twice as much.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2005 at 16:10

funny you mention Grados, Reed...after careful consideration, I decided to buy a pair! I can't decide between the SR-60s and the SR-80s, though. Apparently the 80s have a slightly better bass response for a few extra bucks...but both come in under $100, so I really can't go wrong.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2005 at 16:13
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

funny you mention Grados, Reed...after careful consideration, I decided to buy a pair! I can't decide between the SR-60s and the SR-80s, though. Apparently the 80s have a slightly better bass response for a few extra bucks...but both come in under $100, so I really can't go wrong.

You cant go wrong with any of the Grado line. You Yanks have to be good at making something other than war,you know!Wink

Sr-80's:


"...these are truly wonderful hearphones, they've got the bass energy... ripping into heavy tracks with a gusto that eludes lesser rivals. With vocals they intoxicate with a natural feel and beautifully proportioned soundstage: few headphones can transport you as convincingly... The Grado SR80's are special. Buy'em, and Love'em."

 

Very popular amongst hi-fi buffs in Blighty!Thumbs Up




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 05:16
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

Apparently the 80s have a slightly better bass response for a few extra bucks...


I would definitely go for the 80's, have spent the last month re-ripping most of my cd collection because I wanted better bass response and overall better dynamic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2005 at 12:57
I have a pair of panasonic monitoring headphones that I use for recording and listening. They do me fine, and they were only $20 at Fred Meyer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2005 at 13:37
Ask TBWART, he is an expert!
"the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2005 at 01:57
Sennheiser HD 600 is a reference

And you have Stax high end headphones with separate tube amplifier.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2005 at 07:03

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Sennheisers make other headphones redundant! Once you've tried a pair, there's no going back - built for comfort AND great sound. I've been told that adding a headphone amp to the chain is the step after graduating to Senns, but I haven't gone that far in my quest for audio nirvana... yet!

TRUE!! I have the HDR 65 series, wireless so I can take a dump while enjoying beautiful music!! BUT just go to a VERY good Hifi store where you can test speakers. Take speakers that are AT LEAST 600 dollar a piece, take a good cd with you (no eartly connection, olias of sunhillow, wish you were here etc.) and FEEL the difference between headphones and good speaker stereo!! Good speakers will beat even the most expensive headphones (yes even headphones that cost more than $2000) but you must invest in speakers if you want a good listen. oh, and NEVER invest in carsound because in a car there is ALWAYS the roadnoise etc. even in a Rolls-Royce!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:37

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Sennheiser HD 600 is a reference

And you have Stax high end headphones with separate tube amplifier.

 

Suprise Suprise...I bet there as good as you walkmans phones too

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 09:00
There are simply the best ever, but expensive
(11.500 € for the pair with the tube amp)

If you want a budget headphones pair, turn on HD600.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 17:47

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

There are simply the best ever, but expensive
(11.500 € for the pair with the tube amp)

If you want a budget headphones pair, turn on HD600.




 

What you don't have a pair of Stax?I'm well shocked

I prefer the Grado to Sennheiser



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 01:50
As i already told you, i'm young and have a low budget.

And i have no headphones. And you?

I don't know the Grado
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:43

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

As i already told you, i'm young and have a low budget.

And i have no headphones. And you?

I don't know the Grado

 

Do yourself a favour & listern to some then.

You will most definatly realise the STAX are not the best

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