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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2004 at 20:33

Hmmm, Wilde Flowers was the band that eventually spawned into Soft Machine...

It originates from '63, so most definitely the first prog rock in Canterbury and there's a very good chance that it was the first prog rock band that was formed on the basis of writing progressive sound...

I'm not suggesting it was the first to play what you could define as prog rock... As I can see what others are saying...

"This artist produced a song/cd that has a definite progressive quality to it..."

But in my opinion Wilde Flowers was the first... But I'm in Silk's position...

Originally posted by Silk Silk wrote:

I realise this is an idiosyncratic position, but what the hell

Oh and I liked your reasoning, btw...

Originally posted by Silk Silk wrote:

I think prog was made possible by (and started with) Dylan's "Like a Rolling Stone" because:

  • it made it possible to imagine a rock song on the radio that lasted more than 4 minutes,
  • it had lyrics which were literate and sharp and not about lurve,
  • it emphasised the use of keyboards as a primary musical device (the organ),
  • it challenged categories and pre-conceptions about rock music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2004 at 20:36
The question is just another conundrum of this site...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2004 at 22:34
Originally posted by Verisimilitude Verisimilitude wrote:

Hmmm, Wilde Flowers was the band that eventually spawned into Soft Machine...

It originates from '63, so most definitely the first prog rock in Canterbury and there's a very good chance that it was the first prog rock band that was formed on the basis of writing progressive sound

Cool that you meantion them. Yeah, that was was the nucleus for Soft Machine & Caravan. Then many other Canterbury greats spawned!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2004 at 08:50
just a question for you blokes:Styx is considered prog or at least "proggish" but i seem to remember reading somewhere that their roots as a band go back to 1963, what were they or their ancestors playing then and like many bands who have their roots in these times how did that sound influence prog(the beatles have often been mentioned) but what about the 50/s beatniks playing what we now might call Acid Jazz and its influence on bands like Gong. i humbly submit this for your consideration(...oh all right!...just tell me what you Fink!!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2004 at 03:08
Why isn't Deep Purple's live with  The Royal Philarmonica Orchestra ever mentioned as a prog album?? it sounds to me as great Symphonic Progressive rock, plain and simple...and it was in 1969...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2004 at 05:11

The problem with this is that while bands who eventually went prog were around in the early to mid 60s, they were not playing prog.

The following musical styles (individually), in my opinion, do not constitute prog:  jazz, psychadelia and heavy rock.

So this pretty much rules out the likes of soft machine and pre-meddle floyd, deep purple and cream, and also bands like the moody blues.

Even Aerosol Grey Machine by the mighty VDGG (released 1969) is more psychadelia than anything else.  Hence, the first album to fit prog rock criteria came in 1969, from a band we all know and some of us love.  It was called IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING. 

So, while other bands who would later play prog pre-date crimson, they were the first band to play actual prog-rock.  Hence, they were the first progressive rock band. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2004 at 16:10
I think Zappa's Mothers were the first prog band, but it's hard to say if 'Freak Out!' is real prog, there's also a lot of rhythm and blues on that album. But the last two songs make up for that, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2004 at 18:49

"Styx is considered prog or at least "proggish" but i seem to remember reading somewhere that their roots as a band go back to 1963,"

Uh, I don't know about that man, they would've been children then, I think.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2004 at 19:05
"The following musical styles (individually), in my opinion, do not constitute prog:  jazz, psychadelia and heavy rock.

So this pretty much rules out the likes of soft machine and pre-meddle floyd, deep purple and cream, and also bands like the moody blues."

Well, I'd think these musical styles contribute to prog sensibilities, and greatly influenced the proggers. What would you say the distinction is between Meddle and all that came before it from PF that makes those all non-prog?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2004 at 05:29

The musical styles I mentioned can indeed be, and often are, constituent elements of prog rock, but are not individually progressive, at least not in the sense that that we define prog rock to be. 

There were bands like soft machine and pink floyd playing psychadelia in the 60s, and while it may have been a natural evolution for them to eventually become prog, they were not at that time.

I personally feel - and this is just my opinion, bear in mind - that pre-Meddle floyd (PATGOD, SOS, Ummagumma and Atom Heart Mother) were more psych than anything else.  A lot of people see Dark Side... as the 'turning point' album, but their real change in sound came with Meddle.  More structured and less freak-out than stuff that had come before, it also featured less of an inclination to jam, and a harder edge than their earlier material, exemplified on "One of these days".

Therefore, I think that Meddle is Floyd's first prog rock album, and since it came in 1971, that places their transition to full-blown prog two years later than King Crimson. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2004 at 17:10
Originally posted by semismart semismart wrote:

I'll go with uriah Heep followed by Yes

By the way is Alan Parsons considered progressive

Yes, Alan Parsons Project belongs to what is called art-rock, one of the many subgenres of the progressive music. Are also considered as art-rock bands such as Roxy music, Supertramp, 10CC...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 29 2004 at 08:15
GONGHOBBITT: NOT SO!!!! John Panozzo for example was born in 1948 and was along with Denniss De young , playing in a band called "The Tradewinds "(forerunner of Styx) in the early 60's while still in thier early teens( i have just found this out!!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2004 at 01:02

 "Ug the Caveman and the Rockheads." They made music by banging on each other's heads with rocks.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you said "trog" rock band....

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Who remembers that silly ditty?LOL

Seriously though, I'll vote for King Crimson.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2004 at 10:00

Here we go again with the what is/what is not prog debate. Th Hungarian band Omega started out playing covers in clubs in Budapest as far back as 1962! There are still original members in the band and they are going on a Hungarian tour in the spring culminating with a blowout show in Budapest in September.

But as far as first band to play prog? this is what you mean right?

I`ll have to go with the Nice.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2004 at 06:22

1967....

The Beatles with "Sgt. Pepper"...

Pink Floyd with "Piper at the Gates of Dawn"...

Yes but have you heard Love in particular "Forever Changes" ?

Los Angeles psychedelic/acid rock ? Yes but this band formed in 1965 should be also one of the doyens of prog rock (new and fine music, poly-ethnic band...)

So the question is to know if prog rock was born in UK or USA (probably not elsewhere) within the melting pot of Artschools, Drugs and a kind of Madness

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2004 at 07:29
Vibe  i agree with you, while there is inherent value in discussing some subjects and i personally have gained knowledge from these issues, "the what is prog/definition/origin" debate does seem to be running in circles(the defenition of prog section at the home page covers it all quite well!!..still it is good to see such healthy(and civilized(and often humorus)) debate
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2004 at 09:12
Originally posted by Tauhd Zaļa Tauhd Zaļa wrote:

1967....

The Beatles with "Sgt. Pepper"...

Pink Floyd with "Piper at the Gates of Dawn"...

Yes but have you heard Love in particular "Forever Changes" ?

Los Angeles psychedelic/acid rock ? Yes but this band formed in 1965 should be also one of the doyens of prog rock (new and fine music, poly-ethnic band...)

So the question is to know if prog rock was born in UK or USA (probably not elsewhere) within the melting pot of Artschools, Drugs and a kind of Madness

I've read in my encyclopedia of pop music, that Love is a legendaric band. Is their music interesting?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2004 at 09:26
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

I've read in my encyclopedia of pop music, that Love is a legendaric band. Is their music interesting?

For me Yes !... but for you I don't know

I could only suggest you to listen their music

I like very much "Da Capo" released before "Forever Changes" (early '67), mainly :

-Orange sky (beautyfull song with flute and unusual melody)

-7 And 7 Is (qualified as first "metal" song of all times)

-Revelation (a 19 mn track !)

I have learned that their first name was "Grassroots".

It is not surprising because I think they have smoked all the leaves



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2004 at 09:35
Could you describe what they sound like?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2004 at 09:49

Joren,

I can send you 3 or 4 MP3 I you want

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