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    Posted: April 16 2004 at 15:01
hi all ,new to this forum and loving it, just wondering if any of you in the uk saw those programmes on bbc4 about prog?? and if you did what was your opinions, especially on john peel. why they would have almost two hours of footage ,interviews etc and keep interspersing it with that fool telling us how awful it was, and dont get me started on the other idiot that kept popping up with the word "bourgoise"(sp?)
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Points: 149 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2004 at 15:37
i was disappointed with those programmes. I felt that they didn't even try to explain the excitement of prog and john peel.....what a prat!!!! he only dislikes ELP because he thought Keith should never have left The Nice, but after Peel's "word of wisdom" the programme kind of focused on Punk....WHAT?!?! 
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Points: 14 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2004 at 16:52
yeh the subtle nuances of borstal breakout, and the ramones,thats better musicianship
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Points: 400 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2004 at 17:47

Quote especially on john peel

I thought it was JOHN STEED

And EMMA PEEL ?

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
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Points: 28029 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2004 at 18:23

I didn't like this particular programme about prog rock.It was biased and very 'anti' as evidenced by the fact that John Peel was recruited to give his opinions on music he so obviously loathes.If it was a programme about punk then a totally different approach would have been taken.

The rock family tree programme about ELP and Yes (narrated by John Peel oddly) was very good though.
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I too felt disappointed with the programme as it missed a great opportunity to delve deep into the matter. As usual, all we got was a few rent-a-quote bods from the british media, regurgitating cliche after cliche. Given that Peel made his name championing progressive rock in the early 70s, his comments come across as treachery pure and simple.

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Points: 28029 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2004 at 03:29

Originally posted by shark shark wrote:

I too felt disappointed with the programme as it missed a great opportunity to delve deep into the matter. As usual, all we got was a few rent-a-quote bods from the british media, regurgitating cliche after cliche. Given that Peel made his name championing progressive rock in the early 70s, his comments come across as treachery pure and simple.

John Peel 'champion of progressive rock in the early seventies'. ~Scratches head~.

 
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Points: 85 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2004 at 04:46
Peel WAS the champion of prog back in the day, but the turncoat went all punk on us to keep his job at the beeb, and to try and stay relevant to "the kids" (say with Rick Mayell voice). These days he's a right slipper wearing old fart.
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Points: 28029 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2004 at 06:35
So Peel's comments about ELP being 'A Tragic Waste Of Talent and Electricity' (circa 1970) was championing prog rock??! He also made no secret of his loathing for Yes which at the time he considered to be worse than ELP!

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Points: 223 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2004 at 08:46
I missed the programme, but by the sounds of what u guys have said I dont think i missed much.
Long live progression.
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Points: 6667 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2004 at 15:57
I didn't see it either, but I would've loved it for sure. Every second of prog is BELOVED!!!!
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Points: 12812 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2004 at 12:21

Similar comments here, as on the BBC 4 discussion site (but I suggest you check it out because the programme seemed to trigger off more comments than normal for a documentary).

Have to agree, Mr Peel comes out in a poor light from what he remembers in that documentary, suggesting long term hypocracy if he played this music on Perfumed Garden , Top Gear etc. and (in his word, repeated several times) and 'always thought it was "crap"'. However, I like his comparison, 'I could cope with the O Levels but thought prog rock was A levels'. Perhaps one thing in defence of Mr Peel: it has always been said if you remember the 60's you couldn't been there - maybe this condition lasted until the mid 70's in his case? BTW have you discovered Keith Emerson's response to Peel's knocks? On the Castle Records compo "Here Come The Nice", there is an ad narrated by Peel, in praise of their music.

However, at least somebody has done a prog documentary, beit with a strange assortment of pundits.



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