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Marcelo 
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 Topic: Gothic & Prog
Posted: April 14 2004 at 12:58 |
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There are many gothic bands closer to metal than prog (Tristania, i.e.), but some gothic bands are esentially prog: Lacrimosa, Devil Doll (gothic?) or Sopor Aeternus among others. I love that dark, sad and tetric kind of music... Anybody else?
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philippe
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Posted: April 14 2004 at 13:07 |
"Some gothic bands are ESSENTIALLY prog" ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Just a ridiculous label to sell more...
It dosen't mean that I simply hate Gothic...I enjoy sometimes listening to stuffs as Sisters of Mercy (A kind of dark new age gothic band from the 80s), however I'm not at all familiar with the metal gothic scene...
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Marcelo
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Posted: April 14 2004 at 14:19 |
[QUOTE=philippe]
"Some gothic bands are ESSENTIALLY prog" ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Just a ridiculous label to sell more...
It dosen't mean that I simply hate Gothic...I enjoy sometimes listening to stuffs as Sisters of Mercy (A kind of dark new age gothic band from the 80s), however I'm not at all familiar with the metal gothic scene...
Gothic isn't essential to prog music, I tried to say that some gothic bands have many prog elements to be considerated into prog music 
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The Owl
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Posted: April 14 2004 at 14:35 |
 Marcelo wrote:
There are many gothic bands closer to metal than prog (Tristania, i.e.), but some gothic bands are esentially prog: Lacrimosa, Devil Doll (gothic?) or Sopor Aeternus among others. I love that dark, sad and tetric kind of music... Anybody else? |
I would highly recommend The Red Masque
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progchain
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Posted: April 14 2004 at 14:50 |
OPETH! 
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diddy
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Posted: April 14 2004 at 15:24 |
Opeth has NOTHING to do with Gothic
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If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear...
George Orwell
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arqwave
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Posted: April 15 2004 at 14:36 |
hum... beleive me, gothic is a very seriuos style of music, that goes from the cure to lacrimosa, even Depeche Mode has a bit of goth, the best groups from that style are Cristian Death and bauhaus, and mock my words, those gropus aren't prog, maybe they are close to the style but nothing concrete, any style might has a "taste of prog" but that doesn´t mean it's prog.
peace
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The Prognaut
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Posted: April 15 2004 at 19:44 |
I'd dare to say that "L'ame Immortelle" takes along a lil smidge of prog essence too!  Lacrimosa's "Elodia" and "Fassade" are seriously related to a prog mixture yet dark, but I definetely think both prog and gothic find themselves in the same path
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Stormcrow
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Posted: April 15 2004 at 20:19 |
Eh... since I've never wanted to get my eyebrow pierced or get a set of vampire fangs made and I've always associated goth music with the "Goths" who paint their face white, dye their hair orange and wear all black clothes, I've always avoided Goth music like it's the plague.
Have I really been missing anything?
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will
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Posted: April 16 2004 at 11:07 |
i think the label goth is a bit stupid, what makes someone or a band gothic?? Im not sure.
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Long live progression.
Will
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 16 2004 at 11:17 |
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Generally, Goth =
Black clothes, skinny musicians with (of course) black hair, playing doom laden music (although usually fairly well in the case of The Cure, Bauhaus, The Mission, Siouxie & The Banshees etc), whilst staring at their feet & growling into their microphones about the futility of existence......
All in all, a fun evening out......
cowers in corner waiting for the flak..........
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: April 16 2004 at 11:29 |
I'm a huge Cure fan. Goth-pop, maybe? Like anything else, it has it's place and should be consumed in small quantities. So far, two of my daughters have gone through the GOTH phase. The music is good, some great, but the total immersion into the lifestyle is rather scary and clownish. Come on, would you hire someone with a black mohawk and fifty facial piercings to sell your products? Egad man, fall in the water and you'll sink.
Is goth prog. Hhhmm, very peripheral, at best. The instrumentation, mainly synths with church organ, swirling atmospherics? I don't know.
What's maani think? 
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lucas
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Posted: April 16 2004 at 15:17 |
danbo wrote:
I'm a huge Cure fan. |
Don't you think Echolyn's main vocalist has at times a voice that recalls Robert Smith ?
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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semismart
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Posted: April 17 2004 at 21:27 |
Marcelo wrote:
There are many gothic bands closer to metal than prog (Tristania, i.e.), but some gothic bands are esentially prog: Lacrimosa, Devil Doll (gothic?) or Sopor Aeternus among others. I love that dark, sad and tetric kind of music... Anybody else? |
 Tilo Wolff and Ann Nurmi, I got every one of their albums and EPs, all fifteen of them. Since you like them check out Dargaard and Avrigus as well. Oh, and our own(American I mean) Autumn Tears. Dark Symphonies .com has a great deal on Autumn Tears 
To me, I've always felt when someone didn't know what to classify something they'd call it Gothic. Gothic has got to be one of the widest spanning sub genres around
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raggy
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Posted: April 18 2004 at 04:42 |
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"She Sells Sanctuary" by the Cult! Maybe not prog, but the best 12" single of the 80s. Kicks ass for a Goth tune!
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Now is tomorrow afternoon
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: April 18 2004 at 13:23 |
lucas wrote:
danbo wrote:
I'm a huge Cure fan. |
Don't you think Echolyn's main vocalist has at times a voice that recalls Robert Smith ?
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Funny, now that you mention it. There is a similarity in timbre. Smith would be better if he didn't whine so much. "Shake Dog Shake." Fav Cure tune.
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Glass-Prison
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Posted: April 18 2004 at 19:39 |
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"She Sells Sanctuary" never really sounded like prog, though, it always sounded like generic heavy metal. It's a cool song, but I don't really see much 'gothicness' in it.
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raggy
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Posted: April 19 2004 at 04:22 |
Glass-Prison wrote:
"She Sells Sanctuary" never really sounded like prog, though, it always sounded like generic heavy metal. It's a cool song, but I don't really see much 'gothicness' in it. |
The Cult started as a punk band under the name Southern Death Cult. They then dropped Southern and became Death Cult (still punk). Then they dropped Death and became a bit New-wavey, after which they got out the black hair dye and lipstick and jumped on the mid eighties Goth bandwagon with their biggest selling album "Love", from which "'Sanctuary" is taken. Their next effort was just retro heavy rock, poor man's Deep Purple style.
"Love" may not sound gothic to you, but no goth worth his salt in our town was without a copy, plus teeshirt.
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Now is tomorrow afternoon
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Bryan
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Posted: April 20 2004 at 01:17 |
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Does Joy Division count as goth? They may not have dressed like it, but their lyrics and feel absolutely screamed it.
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moonchild
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Posted: May 15 2004 at 20:41 |
Marcelo wrote:
There are many gothic bands closer to metal than prog (Tristania, i.e.), but some gothic bands are esentially prog: Lacrimosa, Devil Doll (gothic?) or Sopor Aeternus among others. I love that dark, sad and tetric kind of music... Anybody else? |
have you heard Theatre of Tragedy?
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