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Wrath_of_Ninian
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 18:28 |
threefates wrote:
Could you people grow up a little and stop acting so inconsiderate? Led Zeppelin are about as far from a prog band as you can get.... If you are fan of Led Zep... then go hang out on their website.... they've got a great forum...
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Cool, whats the URL 3Fates? I didn't know about it...
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 18:29 |
danbo wrote:
Speaking of Led Zeppelin, shouldn't John Paul Jones be here?
Zooma and the Thunderchief are much more progressive than LZ. I think JPJ was the prog link in Led Zep. Some of his keyboard work, especially No Quarter, was pretty over the top. A multi-instrumentalist who was very underappreciated in that band.
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One of the most underrated Artists I can think of, Zeppelin's most progressive work was done by him, and I've often thought that his non Zeppelin work must reflect his progressiveness. I'll check out Zooma and Thunderchief, never heard them. Thnaks for that note!
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 18:39 |
Wrath_of_Ninian wrote:
threefates wrote:
Could you people grow up a little and stop acting so inconsiderate? Led Zeppelin are about as far from a prog band as you can get.... If you are fan of Led Zep... then go hang out on their website.... they've got a great forum...
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Cool, whats the URL 3Fates? I didn't know about it...
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Hangedman
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 20:04 |
sigh, I've been through this whole add led zep thing three times since ive joined. here we go again.
Although Led Zepplin is good, they are not really much more than good ol' fashioned rock and roll. (with the exception of a few scattered songs.) They do have thier own sound by, I would say, Led Zepplin 4 but just because they sound different doesnt mean that they are progressive. Rush did start out wanting to be like zepplin. to be exact Zepplin meets Yes, and Yes is prog. I think Zepplin started out as Cream wannabes with high pitched vocals. Remember what you said on the radiohead discussion "Just because you like them doesnt mean they are prog."
I could say alot more, but i dont want to damage any feelings.
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 20:06 |
Hangedman wrote:
sigh, I've been through this whole add led zep thing three times since ive joined. here we go again.
Although Led Zepplin is good, they are not really much more than good ol' fashioned rock and roll. (with the exception of a few scattered songs.) They do have thier own sound by, I would say, Led Zepplin 4 but just because they sound different doesnt mean that they are progressive. Rush did start out wanting to be like zepplin. to be exact Zepplin meets Yes, and Yes is prog. I think Zepplin started out as Cream wannabes with high pitched vocals. Remember what you said on the radiohead discussion "Just because you like them doesnt mean they are prog."
I could say alot more, but i dont want to damage any feelings.
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Cream wannabes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHHHHHHH!
That's all I have to say.
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 20:14 |
Yardbirds- Cream
Zeppelin
Yardbirds first, yardbirds turn into The New Yardbirds, which became Zeppelin. Cream arose around the same tiem, they were influenced by eachother. Mighty Different.
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threefates
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 21:19 |
Wrath_of_Ninian wrote:
threefates wrote:
Could you people grow up a little and stop acting so inconsiderate? Led Zeppelin are about as far from a prog band as you can get.... If you are fan of Led Zep... then go hang out on their website.... they've got a great forum...
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Cool, whats the URL 3Fates? I didn't know about it...
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http://www.led-zeppelin.com/forum/
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Garion81
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 21:27 |
Rob The Plant wrote:
Yardbirds- Cream
Zeppelin
Yardbirds first, yardbirds turn into The New Yardbirds, which became Zeppelin. Cream arose around the same tiem, they were influenced by eachother. Mighty Different.
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Rob, Cream started in 1966 and Ended in 1969 when Led Zep 1 came out. Also, a big influence on Led Zep was The Jeff Beck Group with Rod Stewart on vocals that released Truth in 1967. No need to be upset about it. Led Zep picked up the ball and ran further and longer than either of the groups went. They perfected that type of blues based rock.
Edited by Garion81
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 21:38 |
But Page's style remained throughout the yardbirds. When did he start in the Yardbirds? Yah the Jeff Beck Group, can't say I'm a big Rod Stewart fan. "If you think I'm sexy..."
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tuxon
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 21:46 |
To nswer your question Rob.
Page entered the Yardbirds after the departure of eric Clapton *(introduced to the band by EC), and played bass (Jeff was the lead guitarist) untill the departure of Jeff, then he became the lead guitarist.
He was with the yardbirds from early 1966 to 1969, forming Led Zep from the ruins of that band (the new yardbirds, they had to fullfill some concert obligations)
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 21:49 |
yah, I read the bio, just wasn't sure about dates. Before that though he did a lot of studio guitar stuff, where he met JP Jones, so he was no newby to the guitar scene. He was the only responsible one of the group.
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Garion81
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 22:26 |
Rob The Plant wrote:
But Page's style remained throughout the yardbirds. When did he start in the Yardbirds? Yah the Jeff Beck Group, can't say I'm a big Rod Stewart fan. "If you think I'm sexy..." |
That happened 10 years later.
He used to sing the blues once upon a time and sang them well. Check out some early Faces and the affor mentioned Jeff Beck Group. Also around 1985 did a sang on a remake of People Get Ready on a Jeff Beck CD Flash. That was a great song. Really give you an idea of how well he sang the blues (also some great guitar by Beck).
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 22:37 |
yah I know, but that's all I can think about when I see him. Robert Plant had/ has way more soul than that man ever did.
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Garion81
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 22:40 |
If Jimmy Page treated Robert Plant the same way Jeff beck treated Rod Stewart you just might have heard him singing that or worse.
I saw Rod a couple times in the early days he was great. So was Robert Plant. I am not comparing them.
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 22:43 |
I know, I just like to promote Robert Plant.
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threefates
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 23:41 |
Rob The Plant wrote:
I know, I just like to promote Robert Plant. |
I understand, I like to do the same with Greg... the difference is that Greg was in a prog band...
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 24 2005 at 23:52 |
threefates wrote:
Rob The Plant wrote:
I know, I just like to promote Robert Plant. |
I understand, I like to do the same with Greg... the difference is that Greg was in a prog band...
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I see your point.
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chorus of one
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Posted: January 25 2005 at 05:01 |
I hate to break it to you guys, but a band doesn't have to be prog just because you like them, and vice versa.
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Syzygy
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Posted: January 25 2005 at 05:21 |
arcer wrote:
The only song which Zeppelin ever openly admitted to being prog-influenced was 'The Song Remains The Same' which Jimmy knowingly constructed as an excercise in prog rock-ism.
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True, but I'd say Zeppelin had more prog moments than that. For me, Kashmir is their proggiest moment, and Houses of the Holy is their proggiest album.
Like many others in this thread, I too genuflect at the altar of Zep, and if my friends back in the 70s were anything to go by Zeppelin were huge with Prog fans.
Having got all that off my chest, I don't think Zeppelin was ever a prog band in the sense that it is understood on these boards. They took hard rock into places it had never been before, but they remained a hard rock band whether they were blending it with folk, world or any other influences.
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Joren
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Posted: January 25 2005 at 05:38 |
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