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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2005 at 12:52

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:


2 people I knew personally were killed on flight 77. That's all I have to say about that. I generally don't talk about it much.

 Now I'm confused... I was almost convinced that the Pentagon was not hit by a Boeing...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2005 at 13:36
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

WHY DIDN’T BIN LADEN OR ANY OTHER ARABIC TERRORIST ORGANIZATION DENY THAT THE ATTACKS WERE ORGANIZED BY THEM?



What if they're in with it?

Remember that Bush and Laden family were both part of the Carlyle group?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2005 at 18:51
I, like many have followed and researched reports, official and unofficial, regarding 9/11. I have no idea whether or not we are being told the truth. However, one thing that is for sure is that many of the worlds top intelligence agencies have been doing and continue to do there own investigations, and if anything nefarious on this huge scale on behalf of the US gov't or factions within did occur there is a high probability that it will be discovered. Whether this information is released is a different matter. One thing is for sure is that guys like Alex Jones has made a very good living on this kind of thing, and I see him as little more than a David Icke with good dress sense.
   As an aside, as far as I know the heat and force from the Shuttle is directed down into a concrete basin filled with water (hence the steam) on take-off.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2005 at 19:25
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

2 people I knew personally were killed on flight 77. That's all I have to say about that. I generally don't talk about it much.


 Now I'm confused... I was almost convinced that the Pentagon was not hit by a Boeing...


If youre being sarcastic Joren, then you are screwed-up in the head and I don't think it's funny!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2005 at 20:08

Mark:

Obviously, whatever else I may believe, I am very sorry to hear that.  Would you be willing to provide their names?

Peace.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2005 at 22:15
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Mark:


Obviously, whatever else I may believe, I am very sorry to hear that.  Would you be willing to provide their names?


Peace.


Did you forget how to read? I stated I don't discuss this! I said what I said. Just take my word for it please! Thank you. I'm going to disable the e-mail notification on this thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2005 at 22:49

Mark:

Sorry.  I didn't mean to seem nosy...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 00:01
Maybe MtS is just trying to demonstrate how people can be led to believe anything.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 03:40

Quotes from Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon, the leader of the only true democracy in the ME, and a proud member of the 'civilized' and 'free' world...

It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands’

 

 

‘I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him’

 

‘Everybody has to move; run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements, because everything we take now will stay ours. Everything we don't grab will go to them’

 

‘Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don't care’

 

‘Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it’

‘A lie should be tried in a place where it will attract the attention of the world’



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 06:04
I know that Sharon is insane, but dont let that lead you to believe all Israelis are like him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 06:10

Originally posted by Dreamer Dreamer wrote:

I know that Sharon is insane, but dont let that lead you to believe all Israelis are like him.

I never claimed they are, although its worth pointing out that he was democratically elected to power by the Israeli people.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 06:29

This confirms all I read and heard about 9/11. There is an interesting, well researched book by a german author.Mathias Bröcker: 'Verschwörungen, Verschwörungstheorien und die Geheimnisse des 11.9' I don't know if it is translated.

Here is a teaser in german with the link to all his sources :

Alle Quellen, die Mathias Bröckers für sein Buch benutzt hat, finden Sie hier. (links, a lot of them in English)

"Als am 7.12.1941 wie aus heiterem Himmel Flugzeuge Pearl Harbor angriffen, war Amerika entrüstet über die Heimtücke der Japaner. Heute sagen Historiker: Präsident Roosevelt wusste im Vorhinein von dem Angriff, hatte ihn sogar provoziert. Roosevelt wollte in den 2. Weltkrieg eintreten. 88 % der US-Bevölkerung waren bis Pearl Harbor dagegen.

Als am 11.9.2001 wie aus heiterem Himmel Flugzeuge das World Trade Center und das Pentagon angriffen, waren Amerika und die Welt entsetzt über die Heimtücke dieses Anschlags. Und sofort standen die Täter und der Feind fest: Osama Bin Laden und seine islamistische Al Quaida. George W. Bush verkündete den Weltkrieg gegen den "internationalen Terrorismus", für den es vorher kaum Unterstützung gegeben hätte. Inzwischen mehren sich die Indizien: Die US-Regierung war über den Angriff vorinformiert.

Mathias Bröckers, Wissenschaftsautor, Journalist und langjähriger Kultur-Chef der "taz", misstraute von Anfang an dem einstimmigen Chor der Medien. Als wären sie gleichgeschaltet, machen sich selbst renommierteste Blätter zum Sprachrohr des Weißen Hauses.

Auf der Suche nach mehr und alternativen Informationen floh Bröckers ins Internet und machte dort mit Hilfe der Suchmaschine ungeahnte Entdeckungen, die er über Monate im Online-Magazin "telepolis" zu einer kontroversen Dokumentation verarbeitete, die millionenfach angeklickt wurde und jetzt - bedeutend erweitert und vertieft - bei Zweitausendeins als Buch erscheint.

Es dokumentiert: Der 11.9. ist nicht nur das Datum eines entsetzlichen Massenmordes, sondern auch Kristallisationspunkt bizarrer Ungereimtheiten, fantastischer Widersprüche, verschwiegener Hintergründe und strategischer Geheimaktionen. Ist seit dem 11.9. nichts mehr so, wie es einmal war? Es war vorher schon zu vieles ganz anders ...

Ein paar Beispiele? Großvater Prescott Bush finanzierte und unterstützte Hitler, den die US-Armee dann beseitigen half. Vater George Bush bewaffnete als CIA-Chef Saddam Hussein, gegen den er dann als US-Präsident in den Golfkrieg zog. Sohn George W. Bush erhielt das Geld für seine erste Ölfirma vom Vermögensverwalter eben jener Firma, deren Sproß Osama er jetzt jagt: Bin Laden. Gouverneur Jeb Bush ließ die Wählerliste in Florida manipulieren und verhalf so seinem Bruder George W. Bush zu den entscheidenden Stimmen für das Präsidentenamt.

Osama Bin Laden ist ein Produkt der US-Geheimdienste, aufgebaut für den Terrorismus gegen die Sowjetunion. General Mahmud Ahmed, Chef des pakistanischen Geheimdienstes ISI, der mit der CIA kooperiert, ließ im Juli 2001 nicht nur 100.000$ an den "Terrorpiloten" Mohammed Atta überweisen, auch hielt sich Ahmed vom 4.-15.9. offiziell in den USA auf - zu "Gesprächen über die Taliban". Am 11.9. frühstückte er auf dem Capitol Hill mit zwei Vorsitzenden des Ausschusses für die US-Geheimdienste.

Obwohl dem Oberkommando der US-Luftwaffe die simultane Entführung von vier Flugzeugen bekannt war, die sich alle absoluten "no fly areas" näherten, dauerte es 75 Minuten, bevor die Abfangjäger aufstiegen - zu spät.

Warum tat George W. Bush zunächst so, als habe er während eines Schulbesuchs von dem Anschlag erfahren? Wenn er, wie sich später herausstellte, schon eine Stunde zuvor informiert worden war, warum tagten dann zu diesem Zeitpunkt nicht schon sämtliche Krisenstäbe?

Bröckers ist hochakribisch. Denn Ungereimtheiten in der offiziellen Tatversion gibt es viele:

Warum werden die Daten des Funkverkehrs und der Flugrekorder nicht veröffentlicht? Warum lagen Wrackteile der Pennsylvania-Maschine über viele Meilen weit verstreut? Ist sie doch abgeschossen worden?

Warum trat der Top-Bin-Laden-Fahnder der USA, John O'Neill, 8 Wochen vor dem Anschlag im Juli 2001 zurück? Welche direkten Geschäfte machten die Familien Bush und Bin Laden miteinander? Welche Geschäftsinteressen hat die Firma Halliburton des Vizepräsidenten Cheney bei Pipeline-Projektierungen in Afghanistan?

Warum wurden bis Juli 2001 Geheimverhandlungen mit dem Taliban-Regime über den Bau dieser Pipeline geführt? Warum wurden die FBI-Untersuchungen gegen verdächtige Flugschüler von oben gestoppt?

Warum setzten Bush und Cheney Oppositionsführer Daschle unter Druck, "tiefergehende Untersuchungen" des 11.9. durch den US-Kongress zu verhindern?

Bröckers ist ein investigativer Konspirologe. Er zeigt mit diesem Buch: Die allgemein akzeptierte Tatversion vom 11.9. ist eine mit Bedacht inszenierte Verschwörungstheorie, die falsche Spuren legt.

"Nach der größten Polizeifahndung aller Zeiten", resümiert Bröckers, "liegen gegen den angeblichen Chefplaner Osama Bin Laden und seine Al Quaida-Bande, knapp ein Jahr nach den Anschlägen, so viele Beweise vor, wie wenige Stunden danach: praktisch keine."

Bröckers fragt, wer die faktischen Nutznießer der Terroranschläge sind, und er bringt andere notorisch Verdächtige ins Spiel. Nicht um seinerseits Verschwörungstheorien in die Welt zu setzen, sondern um das Verschwörungsdenken als skeptische Wissenschaft fruchtbar zu machen. Denn: "Ohne angemessene Verschwörungstheorien lässt sich unsere hochgradig komplexe und konspirative Welt gar nicht mehr verstehen."

Mathias Bröckers "Verschwörungen, Verschwörungstheorien und die Geheimnisse des 11.9."

Mit einem Interview mit dem Ex-Staatssekretär im Verteidigungsministerium Andreas von Bülow und einem Schaltplan der Verschwörungen von G. Seyfried. 371 Seiten. Broschur.

Alle Quellen, die Mathias Bröckers für sein Buch benutzt hat, finden Sie hier.

Das vollständige Inhaltsverzeichnis finden Sie hier als Adobe Acrobat (PDF) Datei (356 KB).

Auslieferung nur in Deutschland, nach Österreich und in die Schweiz.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 06:49
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Again Maani, you write a well thought out post.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 07:58
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 12:20
Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

2 people I knew personally were killed on flight 77. That's all I have to say about that. I generally don't talk about it much.


 Now I'm confused... I was almost convinced that the Pentagon was not hit by a Boeing...


If youre being sarcastic Joren, then you are screwed-up in the head and I don't think it's funny!

No, I was not being sarcasting! It's the truth! I was almost convinced that the Pentagon was not hit by a Boeing. But after what you said, I got confused... now I don't know what to believe...  That's it.

I'm feeling really sorry for you, Mark  and I should have said that before... we're a bit too obsessed at "solving the mystery" I guess, although I don't think we are able to solve it...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 13:03
I'm a Democrat... and even I don't believe a word of that.  Sounds like demetia to me.  Can't believe you people fall so easily for such crap.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 13:06

Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

I'm a Democrat... and even I don't believe a word of that.  Sounds like dementia to me.  Can't believe you people fall so easily for such crap.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 13:31
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Dreamer Dreamer wrote:

I know that Sharon is insane, but dont let that lead you to believe all Israelis are like him.

I never claimed they are, although its worth pointing out that he was democratically elected to power by the Israeli people.

I think he's done a pretty good job.  of course I don't know hows he's handles anythign other than the arab-israeli conflict

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 23:20

NetsNJFan:

Perhaps you are too young to remember (), but it was Sharon who simgle-handedly created the most recent intifada by making a very public (and highly inappropriate) visit to the Temple Mount - the third holiest shrine in Islam - accompanied by members of the Mossad, a personal bodyguard of 18, and over 200 Israeli soldiers.  It was this outrageous act that caused the then-current peace talks to completely break down, and for a period of relative calm to change into a new cycle of Palenstinian suicide bombings and Israeli air strikes.

It is true that Sharon seems to have (at least partially) "turned over a new leaf" in some regards.  But he ultimately has only himself to blame for the current mess that the Palestinian-Israeli situation is.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 01:00
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Quotes from Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon, the leader of the only true democracy in the ME, and a proud member of the 'civilized' and 'free' world...

It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands’

 

 

‘I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him’

 

‘Everybody has to move; run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements, because everything we take now will stay ours. Everything we don't grab will go to them’

 

‘Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don't care’

 

‘Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it’

‘A lie should be tried in a place where it will attract the attention of the world’

Blacksword:

Before I make a personal comment on these quotes, can you please tell me where you sourced them from?


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