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    Posted: May 26 2005 at 02:16
So anyways, I remember that I posted awhile ago that I was looking to buy a bass, and what do you know? I bought one. 'Tis a Jay Turser Jazz Bass; some model that is discontinued, the dealer couldn't tell me.

So yea, I started out doing some of the bass lines I know, improvising some junk just to get my feel for it. Then I tried to do the bassline for Rush's "Anthem"; now I've developed this ethic that I shall never play with a bass pick, but it just seems bloody impossible to play those triplet notes with just your fingers. Even with some of Chris Squires basslines, it makes me wonder if they have used bass picks, like ever.

So I was wondering if any of you experienced bassists can give some advice on playing those fast notes while finger picking. Thanks.


edit: Can someone please answer new question?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 15:09

Squire uses a plectrum. I think Geddy uses his thumb as well or something strange, but it should be possible to play with just two fingers given plenty of practice. If not you could try using three or four fingers - it helps sometimes but not others and I spent a year trying to do everything with four fingers (and thumb, sometimes) but now I pretty much just use two.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 17:25
I never use picks (same ethic as you ) but sometimes if i need it i find myself using my thumb to hit strings, im trying to break the habit but it is an easy shortcut sometimes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 17:41

Originally posted by Soulman Soulman wrote:


So I was wondering if any of you experienced bassists can give some advice on playing those fast notes while finger picking. Thanks.

Definitely use your fingers and try your damnest to hit all 7 strings with them.  Ideally, try to do this very quickly without missing a note and do this to a happy, nice, pretty rhythm.  That's about it for Fingerbass 101.  You'll be an expert in no time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 21:32

I like to alternate between the two, but I mainly use the pick for Squire lines. I recommend to get faster, you just play something at a slower tempo, and then get progressively faster.

With YYZ, for instance, which is an incredibly difficult bassline, I played the song very slowly until I memorized the entire thing, then kept playing faster every time I played it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2005 at 16:36
I tried to play with all four fingers, but I opted for
three fingers and a thumb.
You can drive the bassline with your thumb. And still
have three fingers to play melody and counterpoint
(cranking Entwistle triplets).

A pick is helpfull when you have to play 1/128 notes.
Or, to get that pick attack sound.

Point is, I don't limit myself to one technique.
All my basses have four strings.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 02:25
...pardon me for asking. What's the point in having a 6 string bass? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 06:24
 More... notes? What else?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 17:10
practice. non-stop.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2005 at 19:53
Originally posted by DracoMordag DracoMordag wrote:

practice. non-stop.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2005 at 01:44

On electric bass I use four fingers..I don't use my thumb much except for slapping..

I use sort of the classical guitarist's method for the right hand...

 

On upright if you do that..you'll kill yourself..really.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2005 at 15:35
I use a pick. I've been playing guitar and bass that way for the last 39 years so I'm not going to change now
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2005 at 23:27

You can't play that fast with a pick. :-P

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 00:09
Originally posted by seabre seabre wrote:

You can't play that fast with a pick. :-P

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 00:30
Playing the riff slowly is probably the best way. One thing I tried to do was hammer-on notes that I couldn't play fast enough. It seems like a good idea, but do not rely on it. my left hand developed a quicker response than my fingers. Just keep at a pace that you feel comfortable at. The riff still sounds exhilerating at half the speed, trust me, you'll just dream of what it will sound like with a week (or less) more practice. As for YYZ, just hit all the notes you can at first while listening to the song. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2005 at 00:12
Well it's been almost three months since I bought the bass that I mentioned (about the same time I made this thread). I'm not much of a disciplined practicer, but I pick up the bass whenever I feel like practicing, which seems to be often.

I found an article about a month ago on routines that you can do to play with four fingers, to gain maximum speed. So far I'm able to play with three fingers qutie efficiently; reaching the 64th note is quite easy for me now.

Recently I started kind of listening to Victor Wooten. I had heard a song on an internet radio station where he did a improvisation around the good ol' tune "Amazing Grace", I was astonished at how fast he could play slap bass.

My question now is:

Can anyone tell how I can play slap bass like Victor Wooten?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2005 at 11:40
I think only Victor Wooten can tell you that one . I'm not sure about the merits of 4 fingers vs. 2, I think it mainly depends on the person - I'm fine pedalling one note with a simple rhythm with four fingers and can go much faster than with two, but for anything more complex, even for string corssing, I find it easier to use two or three... most of the "famous" bass players don't use four fingers, I think Geddy uses two and a thumb, Myung uses three?, I can't think of anything else offhand.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 10:47
Well, Wooten is a monster. And, he has basses that cost, like 10000 bucks each... exclusive  Foderas and stuff. The thing is, I think, is that he has his strings incredibly close to the fingerboard, so that when he gives that string a thump with the thumb, it'll slap twice if he wants it to. Then he'll also strike the string on his way up with the thumb, so that he almost uses it like a pick. I suppose that thing with the string slapping twice for each slap also applies to the rest of the fingers...would explain the odd sound he gets on tunes like Classical Thump.
 Do NOT try his technique within a couple of years!!
 I think you have to be a slapper extraordinaire before thinking about developing his style... I suppose it's POSSIBLE, but Wooten is an extreme wonderchild, and he's so good that he gets the basses he wants for free. I think that you have to have a fat wallet to be able to even try playing like him...and what if you fail? 8000 bucks for your Fodera, thrown into the sea...

 Anyhow, I don't use picks either, until just recently. I like recording music at home, but I've got no good way to mike my bass... my amplifier sounds sh*te, and I don't have microphones or a mixer. I don't have a bass pod, either, but! I bought a sh*tty guitar some years ago, and spent some more money on a guitar pod, to be able to get some decent sounds out of it. For years I used the best clean sound I could get for my bass, and played through it, but it never sounded very good. After all, it IS a guitar pod, and making a bass sound like a GOOD bass just didn't work. The solution was to use some compression, some distortion, and a pick, and you almost get a Squire or Nomeansno sound. Groovy!
 But, that's just when I'm recording. When I play, I always use my fingers, since my plectrum technique is sh*te, and I don't want to scratch the bass. The poor baby..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 10:59
Originally posted by Soulman Soulman wrote:

...pardon me for asking. What's the point in having a 6 string bass? 


Pardon me for asking, what's the point in having a four string bas?

A six string makes you free to play ANYTHING. You always get in touch with songs where you have to play notes lower than your E, and if you plan to become a good player, you'll want to play some solos every now and then, and then the G-string just isn't high enough. With a C-string, you can be heard better. And, with two extra string, you've got FREEDOM!! For every extra string, playing becomes twice as fun.
 But, agreed that if you're in a band and you know your role, a five-string is enough. And, if you're in a garage or punk band, showing up with a showy six-string quite ruins the image. But, why limit yourself?
 Why do guitarists use 6 or 7 strings?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2005 at 13:04
Thanks alot for your responses bityear 
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