Re:London Underground

marktheshark wrote: nacho wrote: marktheshark wrote: But if you have a peaceful solution, let's hear it. Sorry to step in, Mark, but I found that gem in your last post. Now I'm asking you: But if you have a warlike solution, let's hear it... Good luck with your answer (you'll need it). Peace   What do you think we're doing now, Nacho? You sit there and tout your horn talking about what we're doing wrong. How do you really know? Have you ever thought about the attacks that HAVEN'T happened? The many attacks that have been averted? And believe me there have been many. These are the little victories you're not going to know about because they're confined to the intelligence arena. Will we ever win the war on terror? Maybe, maybe not. We can certainly contain it to a certain extent. All I hear from people like you is what's being done wrong, but I never hear any solutons.

Yes, of course, the Spanish police and intelligence have dismantled some terrorist groups that could be preparing more attacks; they have been put in preventive prison until they have a trial (with lawyers and judges and all of that). I also think our soldiers were involved in avoiding an attack against the high speed train from Madrid to Sevilla. That are the only solutions I can think of.

I'm sorry I'm only able to see what is being done wrong in the warlike front; if somebody could explain me what's been done right (if there is something) maybe I'll start to appreciate it...

The Doctor wrote: Well, another sad day caused by the evil of the barbarians in the Muslim world.  They will not be happy until they've undermined our way of life.  Hopefully, cooler minds will prevail and we will all eventually see that the way to defeat terrorism are to keep those from Middle Eastern countries out of our countries.  As I said in another post, if they aren't here they can't fly planes into our buildings.  My sympathies go out to all those in Britain, and I'm glad that none of our members or their families were caught in this tragedy.

Speaking as a Londoner, I'd like to invite you to take your odious, ill-informed and parochial set of half baked opinions and received ideas and ram them up your back passage with a red hot poker.

Firstly, there has not yet been any confirmation that the attacks were by Al-Qaeda, although this attack does look like their work.

Secondly, the terrorists of Al-Qaeda are no more representative of the rank and file of the Muslim faith (which is as multi faceted as Christianity) than the IRA were of Catholicism or Timothy McVeigh was of North American protestantism. An important step towards dealing with the threat is to end the elision of terror and Islam. London is a truly multicultural city with a huge muslim population which has reacted with possibly even more horror than the population at large, precisely because they fear unjustified reprisals from moronic bigots (sadly, there is evidence of this happening already). Muslims are members of the emergency services who coped so brilliantly with the crisis, work in the hospitals which are caring for the wounded and work and travel on the transport system which was the target of these extremists. The majority of the muslims I work with every day came to the UK to ecape repressive regimes run by the kind of fanatics who are behind Al Qaeda.

Try to realise that Islam is not some monolithic threat to your parochial values, and that swarthy men with moustaches aren't all out to get you.

To quote Maani,

Peace.

marktheshark wrote: Syzygy wrote: The Doctor wrote: Well, another sad day caused by the evil of the barbarians in the Muslim world.  They will not be happy until they've undermined our way of life.  Hopefully, cooler minds will prevail and we will all eventually see that the way to defeat terrorism are to keep those from Middle Eastern countries out of our countries.  As I said in another post, if they aren't here they can't fly planes into our buildings.  My sympathies go out to all those in Britain, and I'm glad that none of our members or their families were caught in this tragedy. Speaking as a Londoner, I'd like to invite you to take your odious, ill-informed and parochial set of half baked opinions and received ideas and ram them up your back passage with a red hot poker. Firstly, there has not yet been any confirmation that the attacks were by Al-Qaeda, although this attack does look like their work. Secondly, the terrorists of Al-Qaeda are no more representative of the rank and file of the Muslim faith (which is as multi faceted as Christianity) than the IRA were of Catholicism or Timothy McVeigh was of North American protestantism. An important step towards dealing with the threat is to end the elision of terror and Islam. London is a truly multicultural city with a huge muslim population which has reacted with possibly even more horror than the population at large, precisely because they fear unjustified reprisals from moronic bigots (sadly, there is evidence of this happening already). Muslims are members of the emergency services who coped so brilliantly with the crisis, work in the hospitals which are caring for the wounded and work and travel on the transport system which was the target of these extremists. The majority of the muslims I work with every day came to the UK to ecape repressive regimes run by the kind of fanatics who are behind Al Qaeda. Try to realise that Islam is not some monolithic threat to your parochial values, and that swarthy men with moustaches aren't all out to get you. To quote Maani, Peace. I may be the more gung-ho one here but I agree with you Syz. Chastizing the entire Muslim community is certainly not the answer. Bigotry like that just makes things worse. If we did that to the Japanese and the Germans in the 40s where would we be? We just can't go around isolating entire peoples. The world would really be screwed-up then. BTW, youre right. The Doctor is in desperate need of proctology exam.

Damn.  With all the vitriol coming my way for expressing my opinion, you'd think I was the one who bombed the london underground.  I guess we all believe in rights and freedoms as long as they are politically correct enough for the ultra-left.  By the way Mark, we did do that to the Japanese in the 40's.  They got over it.

NetsNJFan wrote: ^ I happen to agree with the Dr. on this.  On domestic policy I am pretty liberal, but as far as foreign poilicy and America's relation with the Arab Nations, I'm all for seperation.  After all, that's what they want, us to stop meddling in their affairs.  I'd be more than happy to leave them to their ultra oppressive Muslim-fanatic regimes.

If you did that, what would you put in the fuel tank of your car?

You might also want to look at the decades old relationship between the house of Bush and the house of Saud. The royal families of the USA (it's a rhetorical device called irony) and Saudi Arabia are far too closely intertwined for the separation you dream of to happen.

Syzygy wrote: NetsNJFan wrote: ^ I happen to agree with the Dr. on this.  On domestic policy I am pretty liberal, but as far as foreign poilicy and America's relation with the Arab Nations, I'm all for seperation.  After all, that's what they want, us to stop meddling in their affairs.  I'd be more than happy to leave them to their ultra oppressive Muslim-fanatic regimes. If you did that, what would you put in the fuel tank of your car? You might also want to look at the decades old relationship between the house of Bush and the house of Saud. The royal families of the USA (it's a rhetorical device called irony) and Saudi Arabia are far too closely intertwined for the separation you dream of to happen.

trust me I know.  I'd much rather see American Troops invading Saudi Arabia than Iraq.  They could use some liberating too. The funniest thing is how Saudi Arabia more than any other country could be blamed for 9/11.And as for Oil, there is always Canada, Venezuela, etc.

marktheshark wrote: Everytime it's the same crap from the environmentists nut cases: "You can't drill in Anwar. What about the cute furry animals?" Not that it matters that we built an entire pipeline in Alaska and the Caraboo population actually increased 'cause of the heat generated from it. It basically comes down to the same people who are against this war are also against any practical solutions.

right because life only matters if its white,
christian, and speaks english.

and us liberals dont want practicality we want
perfection