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    Posted: April 14 2004 at 13:49

What is the best or most representative band for each prog sub-genre (Art Rock, Canterbury, Jazz fusion, Krautrock, Space psych rock, Symph rock)?
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Phillipe, not again...you change Avatars like underwear  

Canterbury - National Health, Hatfield and the North and Caravan

Symphonic - Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, Gentle Giant

Art Rock - Hmmm Radiohead

Fusion Jazz - Brand X, Mahavisnhou Orchestra

Space psych Rock - early Gong, I don't know them but Hawkwind

Krautrock - Amon Düül II, Can...and Guru Guru

Prog Metal (I know Phillipe, I know) - Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment

Retro - The Flower Kings



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diddy, great picks...ditto for me :)
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Hummmmm... Just some sub-genres:

Art Rock: Anekdoten

Canterbury: Caravan

Jazz Fusion: Brand X

Krautrock: Eloy (some elements)

Space Psych: Pink Floyd

Symph Rock: Genesis

Prog Metal: Rhapsody

Pop Prog: Kayak

Folk Prog: Jethro Tull

Italian Symph: Museo Rosenbach
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Sub-genres (in no order of preference) :

Pomp-prog : Rush

Neo-prog : Marillion

art-rock : Supertramp (Your attention please : do not mistake art-rock for hard-prog, art-rock is a more commercial side of prog i.e. bands such as Roxy Music, Supertramp, Mannfred Mann's earth band... hard-prog is the darkest side of prog i.e. bands such as VDGG, KC or Anekdoten. OK ?)

hard-prog : King Crimson

electronic (aka "New Age") : Tangerine Dream

Ambient : Eno

Symphonic prog : earlier Genesis

Classical prog : Emerson, lake & Palmer

Zeuhl : Magma

Canterbury : Caravan

Space-rock : Pink Floyd

Jazz-fusion : Soft Machine (post-Wyatt)

Metal-prog : Dream Theater

Rock In Opposition : Henry Cow (Chris Cutler founded this sub-genre)

Folk-prog : Jethro Tull

Continental-prog : Premiata Forneria Marconi

Krautrock : Amon Düül II

BTW : Gentle giant is symphonic prog and not art-rock and Flower Kings is symphonic prog too.

 

 
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I found this wicked link - 'scuse me if you've seen it before, but the author clearly both loves his subject and writing about it, so thought I'd share (it's just about on-topic, as it discusses Art rock in depth)

http://www.cosmik.com/aa-april01/golden_age_of_art_rock_1.ht ml

If the author is here - good show, sir!

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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

BTW : Gentle giant is symphonic prog and not art-rock and Flower Kings is symphonic prog too.

Yes, you're maybe right with GG but the Flower Kings are Retro Prog, because for me Retro IS Symphonic, I always thought that Retro means newer bands trying to sound like 70' symphonic bands

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Rusty Pipes's Top 100 Side Long Art Rock Songs 1967 to 1979
Artist -- Song -- Album -- Year

01 - Alan Parsons Project -- The Fall Of The House Of Usher -- Tales Of Mystery and Imagination -- 1973
02 - Allman Brothers -- In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed -- Idlewild South -- 1970
03 - Allman Brothers -- High Falls -- Win Lose or Draw -- 1976
04 - Arthur Brown -- The Fire Suite -- The Crazy World of Arthur Brown -- 1968
05 - Be Bop Deluxe -- Modern Music Suite -- Modern Music -- 1977
06 - Beatles -- Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band -- Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band -- 1967
07 - Beatles -- Abbey Road (Side 2) -- Abbey Road -- 1969
08 - Camel -- Lady Fantasy -- Mirage -- 1974
09 - Caravan -- 9 Feet Underground -- In The Land Of Grey and Pink -- 1971
10 - Caravan -- The Love In Your Eye -- Caravan and The New Symphonia -- 1973
11 - Caravan -- For Richard -- Caravan and The New Symphonia -- 1973
12 - Caravan -- The Dabsong Concerto -- Cunning Stunts -- 1975
13 - Chad & Jeremy -- The Progress Suite -- Of Cabbages and Kings -- 1968
14 - Chicago (C.T.A.) -- Liberation -- Chicago Transit Authority -- 1969
15 - Chris Squire -- Safe -- Fish Out Of Water -- 1975
16 - Deep Purple -- Child In Time -- In Rock -- 1969
17 - Electric Light Orchestra -- Kuiama -- ELO II -- 1972
18 - Electric Light Orchestra -- El Dorado -- El Dorado -- 1974
19 - Emerson Lake and Palmer -- Tarkus (Side 1) -- Tarkus -- 1971
20 - Emerson Lake and Palmer -- Karn Evil 9 (3 Impressions) -- Brain Salad Surgery -- 1973
21 - Focus -- Answers Questions -- Focus 3 -- 1973
22 - Focus -- Anonymous II -- Focus 3 -- 1973
23 - Focus -- Hamburger Concerto -- Hamburger Concerto -- 1974
24 - Genesis -- Supper's Ready -- Foxtrot -- 1972
25 - Genesis -- Cinema Show -- Selling England By The Pound -- 1973
26 - Genesis -- The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway -- The Lamb Lies Down On Braodway -- 1975
27 - Grateful Dead -- Terrapin Station -- Terrapin Station -- 1977
28 - Harry Nilsson -- The Point -- The Point -- 1971
29 - Iron Butterfly -- In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida -- In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida -- 1968
30 - It's a Beautiful Day -- It's A Beautiful Day (Side 2) -- It's A Beautiful Day -- 1969
31 - Jade Warrior -- Floating World -- Floating World -- 1974
32 - Jade Warrior -- Waves -- Waves -- 1975
33 - Jade Warrior -- Kites -- Kites -- 1976
34 - Jade Warrior -- Way Of The Sun (Side 1) -- Way Of The Sun -- 1978
35 - Jefferson Airplane -- How Suite It Is -- After Bathing At Baxter's -- 1968
36 - Jethro Tull -- Thick As A Brick -- Thick As A Brick -- 1973
37 - Jethro Tull -- Passion Play -- Passion Play -- 1974
38 - Jimi Hendrix -- Voodoo Child (side A) and 1983 (side C) -- Electric Ladyland -- 1968
39 - John Anderson -- Olias of Sunhillow -- Olias of Sunhillow -- 1975
40 - John Sebastian -- The Four of Us -- The Four Of Us -- 1971
41 - Kevin Godley and Lol Crème -- Consequences -- Consequences -- 1976
42 - King Crimson -- Moonchild -- In the Court Of The Crimson King -- 1970
43 - King Crimson -- Lark's Tongue in Aspic -- Larks Tongue in Aspic -- 1973
44 - Love -- Revelation -- Da Capo -- 1967
45 - McDonald & Giles -- The Birdman -- McDonald & Giles -- 1971
46 - Mike Oldfield -- Tubular Bells -- Tubular Bells -- 1973
47 - Moody Blues -- In Search Of The Lost Chord -- In Search Of The Lost Chord -- 1968
48 - Moody Blues -- On The Threshold Of A Dream -- On The Threshold Of a Dream -- 1969
49 - Moody Blues -- To Our Children's Children's Children -- To Our Children's Children's Children -- 1969
50 - Moody Blues -- A Question Of Balance -- A Question of Balance -- 1970
51 - Nektar -- Remember The Future -- Remember The Future -- 1973
52 - Nektar -- A Tab In The Ocean -- A Tab In The Ocean -- 1975
53 - Nektar -- Recycled -- Recycled -- 1976
54 - Pablo Cruise -- Ocean Breeze -- Pablo Cruise -- 1975
55 - Patrick Moraz -- I -- I -- 1976
56 - Paul Kantner -- Blows Against the Empire -- Blows Against The Empire -- 1970
57 - Pink Floyd -- Sysyphus -- Ummagumma -- 1969
58 - Pink Floyd -- Atom Heart Mother -- Atom Heart Mother -- 1970
59 - Pink Floyd -- Echoes -- Meddle -- 1971
60 - Pink Floyd -- Dark Side Of The Moon -- Dark Side Of The Moon -- 1973
61 - Pink Floyd -- Wish You Were Here -- Wish You Were Here -- 1975
62 - Pink Floyd -- Animals -- Animals -- 1977
63 - Pink Floyd -- The Wall -- The Wall -- 1979
64 - Premiata Forneria Marconi -- Alta Loma Nine To Five -- Cook -- 1974
65 - Procol Harum -- In Held Twas In I -- Shine On Brightly -- 1968
66 - Quicksilver -- The Fool -- Quicksilver Messenger Service -- 1967
67 - Rick Wakeman -- Music Reincarnate -- No Earthly Connection -- 1976
68 - Rush -- 2112 -- 2112 -- 1975
69 - Santana -- Black Magic Woman Suite -- Abraxas -- 1970
70 - Small Faces -- Happiness Stan -- Ogden's Nut Gone Flake -- 1968
71 - Soft Machine -- Thirds (four different side long songs) -- Thirds -- 1970
72 - Steve Hillage -- Aftaglid -- Fish Rising -- 1975
73 - Steve Miller Band -- Children Of The Future Side 2 -- Children Of The Future -- 1968
74 - Styx -- Movement For The Common Man -- Styx -- 1972
75 - The Chambers Brothers -- Love Peace and Happiness -- Love Peace and Happiness -- 1969
76 - The Nice -- She Belongs To Me -- The Nice -- 1969
77 - The Nice -- Ars Longa Vita Brevis -- Ars Long Vita Brevis -- 1969
78 - The Rascals -- Once Upon A Dream -- Once Upon A Dream -- 1968
79 - The Strawbs -- Hero And Heroine Suite -- Hero and Heroine -- 1973
80 - The Who -- The Who Sell Out Side 1 -- The Who Sell Out -- 1968
81 - The Who -- Tommy -- Tommy -- 1969
82 - The Who -- Quadrophenia -- Quadrophenia -- 1974
83 - Todd Rundgren -- International Feel (The Wizard Side) -- A Wizard/A True Star -- 1973
84 - Todd Rundgren & Utopia -- The Ikon -- Utopia -- 1975
85 - Todd Rundgren & Utopia -- Singring And The Glass Guitar -- RA -- 1977
86 - Traffic -- The Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys - The Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys -- 1973
87 - United Kingdom -- In The Dead Of Night -- United Kingdom -- 1978
88 - Webber and Rice -- Jesus Christ Superstar -- Jesus Christ Superstar -- 1971
89 - Yes -- Close To The Edge -- Close To The Edge -- 1971
90 - Yes -- Heart Of The Sunrise -- Fragile -- 1972
91 - Yes -- Tales From Topographic Oceans -- Tales From Topographic Oceans -- 1974
92 - Yes -- The Gates Of Delerium -- Relayer -- 1976
93 - Yes -- Awaken -- Going For The One -- 1977
94 - Zappa -- Absolutely Free -- Absolutely Free -- 1967
95 - Zappa -- We're Only In It For The Money -- We're Only In It For The Money -- 1968
96 - Zappa -- Lumpy Gravy -- Lumpy Gravy -- 1968
97 - Zappa -- Billy The Mountain -- Just Another Band From LA -- 1972
98 - Zappa -- Don't Eat The Yellow Snow -- Apostrophe -- 1973
99 - Zappa -- Greggary Peccary -- Studio Tan -- 1976
100 - Zappa -- Joe's Garage -- Joe's Garage Volumes 1 & 2 -- 1979


(C) 2001 - Rusty Pipes

 

So Art-rock is everyone then??!!

 

 
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

So Art-rock is everyone then??!!

Naw!

Some of those aren't art rock, but other genres of prog.  I think he's painting with too wide a brush.

I know what he's saying, but I disagree with his terminology.



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Points: 3597 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2004 at 16:41

A few prog sub-genres...major representative bands:

Art Rock: King Crimson

Canterbury: Gong

Metal prog: ???

neo- prog: Marillion

Krautrock: Faust

Fusion Jazz: Mahavishnu Orchestra

Symph prog rock: Wallenstein

Space rock: Brainticket

 
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Points: 177 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2004 at 16:56

to me:

just look at the main page of progarchives, because they point this topic as good as any can do

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I think mr. Pipes, as well as countless other people who study music, fail to subdivide prog into its separate categories. All Music Guide made the same error (if anyone has visited the site, you will know what I mean)
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