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Stormcrow
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Posted: April 10 2004 at 17:27 |
Glass-Prison wrote:
philippe wrote:
Stormcrow wrote:
PROOF, Philippe! We want to see the PROOF!
Enquiring minds want to know!
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Ok...but ask me your question, and I will see next...I thought it was clear!
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Just to clear some things up, the question was why you think ELP is overrated.
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90% pretention over 10% talent to be exact. And remember, he has proof!
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benny bouncer
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Posted: April 11 2004 at 16:41 |
10 % talent......ELP.........the band that can juggle instruments around whilst riding bikes with safes over their heads and still create fantastic music....Carl palmer who drums so fast and precise that you can't see his drum sticks but only hear them, the guy who played in Japan in a blackout and could still be heard 2 miles down the road minus mikes? Keith Emerson, the man who is constantly voted best keyboard player by various magazines, the man who plays keyboards so fast he makes the keys burn......sorry i'm very passionate about ELP....im waiting for someone to dis YES and ELP then we will have an argument
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raggy
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Posted: April 11 2004 at 16:51 |
benny bouncer wrote:
10 % talent......ELP.........the band that can juggle instruments around whilst riding bikes with safes over their heads and still create fantastic music....Carl palmer who drums so fast and precise that you can't see his drum sticks but only hear them, the guy who played in Japan in a blackout and could still be heard 2 miles down the road minus mikes? Keith Emerson, the man who is constantly voted best keyboard player by various magazines, the man who plays keyboards so fast he makes the keys burn......sorry i'm very passionate about ELP....im waiting for someone to dis YES and ELP then we will have an argument |
Yes (pre 90125) were prog gods!
ELP were (pre Love Beach) maybe 100% talent, and that's the trouble. Technical perfection (and a need to show it off) sometimes (not always but often) got in the way of the emotional expression. (my veiw)
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Now is tomorrow afternoon
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richardh
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Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: April 11 2004 at 17:20 |
''If you've got it flaunt it'' I say. The snipes at ELP were always about Jealousy IMO.
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Glass-Prison
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Posted: April 11 2004 at 20:57 |
raggy wrote:
Yes (pre 90125) were prog gods!
ELP were (pre Love Beach) maybe 100% talent, and that's the trouble. Technical perfection (and a need to show it off) sometimes (not always but often) got in the way of the emotional expression. (my veiw)
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What can I say? arpeggios turn me on more than french maids!
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Gaston
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Posted: April 12 2004 at 00:43 |
Wow. Look at that. I am the harbinger of Chaos.
Mwuahahahahahaha!
Anyways, Carl Palmer screws up all the time. That's his vein, he's the rawest, baddest mutha in the biz. But you can't deny his sloppiness. Even in the Hoedown recording there is an obvious speedup change and then Keith sets him straight. Sorry, but ELP is overated and Keith thought he was way better than he really is. Wakeman, Chick, Jan Hammer and Josef Zawinul all smoke him easily.
Just my opinion, of course. ELP is overated. That's what the thread was about.
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It's the same guy. Great minds think alike.
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richardh
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Joined: February 18 2004
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Posted: April 12 2004 at 02:53 |
Gaston wrote:
Wow. Look at that. I am the harbinger of Chaos.
Mwuahahahahahaha!
Anyways, Carl Palmer screws up all the time. That's his vein, he's the rawest, baddest mutha in the biz. But you can't deny his sloppiness. Even in the Hoedown recording there is an obvious speedup change and then Keith sets him straight. Sorry, but ELP is overated and Keith thought he was way better than he really is. Wakeman, Chick, Jan Hammer and Josef Zawinul all smoke him easily.
Just my opinion, of course. ELP is overated. That's what the thread was about.
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With all due respect that is complete bollux.
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Gaston
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Posted: April 12 2004 at 06:21 |
richardh wrote:
Gaston wrote:
Wow. Look at that. I am the harbinger of Chaos.
Mwuahahahahahaha!
Anyways, Carl Palmer screws up all the time. That's his vein, he's the rawest, baddest mutha in the biz. But you can't deny his sloppiness. Even in the Hoedown recording there is an obvious speedup change and then Keith sets him straight. Sorry, but ELP is overated and Keith thought he was way better than he really is. Wakeman, Chick, Jan Hammer and Josef Zawinul all smoke him easily.
Just my opinion, of course. ELP is overated. That's what the thread was about.
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With all due respect that is complete bollux.
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Why Rich? You must have something to back that up with.
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It's the same guy. Great minds think alike.
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Glass-Prison
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Posted: April 12 2004 at 08:20 |
He just did! anyway, I'm glad someone decided to justify their position... after all, we are only on the fourth page!
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raggy
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Posted: April 12 2004 at 09:21 |
KEITH EMERSON ALWAYS HAD CRAPPY HAIR!!!! SO THERE!!!
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Now is tomorrow afternoon
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raggy
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Posted: April 12 2004 at 09:35 |
ELP are Jim Davidson's (English rightwing sexist racist toryboy so-called comedian) favourite band. Plus he's all buddy-buddy with fellow Toryboy Wakeman, who's a bit of a prick himself since he found Jesus and started preaching via the BBC. (rock & roll, man..)
(intentionally provocative....those of a placatory nature are invited to ignore this post.)
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Now is tomorrow afternoon
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Glass-Prison
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Posted: April 12 2004 at 10:31 |
raggy wrote:
ELP are Jim Davidson's (English rightwing sexist racist toryboy so-called comedian) favourite band. Plus he's all buddy-buddy with fellow Toryboy Wakeman, who's a bit of a prick himself since he found Jesus and started preaching via the BBC. (rock & roll, man..)
(intentionally provocative....those of a placatory nature are invited to ignore this post.)
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Man, there is way too much racism and sexism in right wing politics(so much for the defenders of capitalism, they hardly know what it is!) Plus, religion seems to have infected many of them, and tainted their previously noble ideals. The same thing has happened with a lot of prog bands, namely Yes' Tales, which is slobbering with mysticism and other religious nonsense.
Oh, and Emerson had amazing hair, what are you talking about? are you one of those buzz cut lovin guys?
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Stormcrow
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Posted: April 12 2004 at 12:02 |
I myself, am naturally curly.
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raggy
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Posted: April 12 2004 at 12:15 |
I got Gillan hair. V Long and dark and NO naf Emerson fringe.
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Hammar
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Location: Norway
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Posted: April 12 2004 at 12:28 |
I see! You're the last member of ELPS - Emerson, Lake, Pretty and Stormcrow
Interesting opinions about ELP in here! A few strange arguments, though, about why they should be overrated. Their look..? OK, it was show off and they were pompous when playing live and that might be the reason why Carl Palmer had a few problems playing their music live. I actually agree with Gaston there. Sometimes I feel Greg Lake could have done a better effort on his bass as well.
However, when listening to great (!!!) albums like Tarkus, ELP and Brain Salad Surgery I really don't understand how progholes can say they are overrated. I respect your opinions, for sure, I just find it....yes, interesting.
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richardh
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Posted: April 13 2004 at 16:42 |
Hammar wrote:
I see! You're the last member of ELPS - Emerson, Lake, Pretty and Stormcrow
Interesting opinions about ELP in here! A few strange arguments, though, about why they should be overrated. Their look..? OK, it was show off and they were pompous when playing live and that might be the reason why Carl Palmer had a few problems playing their music live. I actually agree with Gaston there. Sometimes I feel Greg Lake could have done a better effort on his bass as well.
However, when listening to great (!!!) albums like Tarkus, ELP and Brain Salad Surgery I really don't understand how progholes can say they are overrated. I respect your opinions, for sure, I just find it....yes, interesting.
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Greg Lake did pretty well as a bass player especially as he had to 'deal' with Palmer's frenetic style on the drums.Lake at times held the band together in live performances especially considering that Emerson and Palmer were not the most 'grounded' of musicians and could easily get carried away at times.Ok I do know that's an understatement!
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 13 2004 at 18:43 |
I concurr. I think Bruford also held King Crimson together during improvs which started to get a bit shaky from all the incarnations of KC he participated in. I don't know if you have Thrakattak but it's very evident on this album.
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The Analog Kid
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Posted: April 14 2004 at 10:57 |
IMO, Marillion is very over-rated. I have heard a lot of their stuff and nothing really impressed me.
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diddy
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Location: Germany
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Posted: April 14 2004 at 10:58 |
Yes (not the band), Marillion and Rush...I can't stand Rush (and Marillion) ... but I really don't know why...I just don't know why all the people are so crazy about them and that's the reason for suggesting this two for the Title '(most) overrated Prog band'
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If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear...
George Orwell
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richardh
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Posted: April 14 2004 at 16:19 |
Marillion have made 2 excellent albums 'Misplaced Childhood' and 'Season's End'.I don't really care much about the rest of their catologue including 'Brave' which fans often rave about.
Rush are virtually untouchable IMO.So many great albums and they have remained consistently brilliant over the years with no sign of flagging.
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