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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 03:09
This putz can go f*ck himself.  he brings out (some) valid points about prog, but these mean nothing without context, especially when placed in such a biased environment.  he obviously has very little knowledge of 'music' (classical, jazz, etc.), and instead believes music solely means entertainment/pop.  if he was so disgusted by the works of Yes, no doubt classical music would disgust him even more (being even farther removed from the 3-chord thrash he desires).  it's really too bad that all he looks for in music is the simplest common denominator, and the fact that he can't see that 'punk' has 'sold-out' much more than prog ever could have.  putz. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 04:58
You destroy what you don't understand.We can all make a virtue out of ignorance.As long as you enjoy what you enjoy and don't harm others then nothing else matters.Punks are defined by their hatred of others (and themselves perhaps ??).They have nothing of interest to say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 05:49

Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

This putz can go f*ck himself.  he brings out (some) valid points about prog, but these mean nothing without context, especially when placed in such a biased environment.  he obviously has very little knowledge of 'music' (classical, jazz, etc.), and instead believes music solely means entertainment/pop.  if he was so disgusted by the works of Yes, no doubt classical music would disgust him even more (being even farther removed from the 3-chord thrash he desires).  it's really too bad that all he looks for in music is the simplest common denominator, and the fact that he can't see that 'punk' has 'sold-out' much more than prog ever could have.  putz. 

it also makes no sense...why would you want to limit yourself to one style of music?, i dont, i love many forms of hard rock and classic rock, alternative rock and grunge, prog rock of course, blues, jazz, some country and bluegrass and some metal and yes even punk...you really have to be pretty damn stubborn to limit yourself to one genre and then say everything else is crap...but a lot of punks and metalheads are like that, and thats why they piss me off sometimes.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 06:00
You are right about that: "he obviously has very little knowledge of 'music' (classical, jazz, etc.), and instead believes music solely means entertainment/pop. ", but you still didn't get it, that he's not talking about music, but people who's thinking to make money with music (as I sad it before). Not just some prog musicians, but all kind "pop "music"".

There are people who creates music and people who sells music. (1st kind of people sometimes become "sell music" people, that is here a problem).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 06:05
Originally posted by bogdan. bogdan. wrote:

You are right about that: "he obviously has very little knowledge of 'music' (classical, jazz, etc.), and instead believes music solely means entertainment/pop. ", but you still didn't get it, that he's not talking about music, but people who's thinking to make money with music (as I sad it before). Not just some prog musicians, but all kind "pop "music"".

There are people who creates music and people who sells music. (1st kind of people sometimes become "sell music" people, that is here a problem).


Mr. NetsNJFan I meant.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 06:10
Originally posted by bogdan. bogdan. wrote:

but you still didn't get it, that he's not talking about music, but people who's thinking to make money with music (as I sad it before). Not just some prog musicians, but all kind "pop "music"".

There are people who creates music and people who sells music. (1st kind of people sometimes become "sell music" people, that is here a problem).


Yes, but as Boo Boo stated, this guy spends time criticising albums like Sgt Peppers, which are so innaccesible (for their time) that it is inconceivable that the artists thought they were making a recodr that would sell and make them lots of money. I very much doubt many prog bands (except Asia and the like, if you can call them prog bands) were motivated by desire for material gain (beyond enough money to make a comfortable living). The artists he attacks are the artists that were creating the music they wanted to and just happened to become successful. It is bands that deliberately mimicked these greats that should come under criticism if what you say is the main theme of this article. Ironically there were far more bands that cashed into the punk movement than ever cashed into prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 06:13

Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

Originally posted by bogdan. bogdan. wrote:

but you still didn't get it, that he's not talking about music, but people who's thinking to make money with music (as I sad it before). Not just some prog musicians, but all kind "pop "music"".

There are people who creates music and people who sells music. (1st kind of people sometimes become "sell music" people, that is here a problem).


Yes, but as Boo Boo stated, this guy spends time criticising albums like Sgt Peppers, which are so innaccesible (for their time) that it is inconceivable that the artists thought they were making a recodr that would sell and make them lots of money. I very much doubt many prog bands (except Asia and the like, if you can call them prog bands) were motivated by desire for material gain (beyond enough money to make a comfortable living). The artists he attacks are the artists that were creating the music they wanted to and just happened to become successful. It is bands that deliberately mimicked these greats that should come under criticism if what you say is the main theme of this article. Ironically there were far more bands that cashed into the punk movement than ever cashed into prog.

plus many punk bands seem to have only one ambition, get rich and famous.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 06:18
I must say, Boo Boo. It's amazing the difference in responses to that article between here and DDD. A lot of the responses on DDD were like OMGZ!!!11 PUNX SUK!!11 one one.

It's refreshing to here the level of intellectual on this site, even though I don't agree with all the opinion expressed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 06:33

Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

I must say, Boo Boo. It's amazing the difference in responses to that article between here and DDD. A lot of the responses on DDD were like OMGZ!!!11 PUNX SUK!!11 one one.

It's refreshing to here the level of intellectual on this site, even though I don't agree with all the opinion expressed.

that mainly has to do with the kind of people who are posting, i have come to learn that most progressive rock fans have an open mind and are not biased in a sense that they wouldnt try or respect other genres...DDD is run by metalheads who seem to think everything else is inferior, which is why i am put off by metalheads...im not saying that there arent metalheads out there with a open mind, i know there are some, but very few...anyway i like it here, screw DDD, whos need em?, i dont.



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Yes, but as Boo Boo stated, this guy spends time criticising albums like Sgt Peppers, which are so innaccesible (for their time) that it is inconceivable that the artists thought they were making a recodr that would sell and make them lots of money. I very much doubt many prog bands (except Asia and the like, if you can call them prog bands) were motivated by desire for material gain (beyond enough money to make a comfortable living). The artists he attacks are the artists that were creating the music they wanted to and just happened to become successful. It is bands that deliberately mimicked these greats that should come under criticism if what you say is the main theme of this article. Ironically there were far more bands that cashed into the punk movement than ever cashed into prog.
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That person had probably heard just those albums, so he critisized those albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 08:10
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

I must say, Boo Boo. It's amazing the difference in responses to that article between here and DDD. A lot of the responses on DDD were like OMGZ!!!11 PUNX SUK!!11 one one.

It's refreshing to here the level of intellectual on this site, even though I don't agree with all the opinion expressed.

that mainly has to do with the kind of people who are posting, i have come to learn that most progressive rock fans have an open mind and are not biased in a sense that they wouldnt try or respect other genres...DDD is run by metalheads who seem to think everything else is inferior, which is why i am put off by metalheads...im not saying that there arent metalheads out there with a open mind, i know there are some, but very few...anyway i like it here, screw DDD, whos need em?, i dont.



Here is another question. What do you now mean by telling open mind people. People who listens all kind of music(pop, rap, and other crap), or people who listens just music.
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Originally posted by bogdan. bogdan. wrote:

Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

I must say, Boo Boo. It's amazing the difference in responses to that article between here and DDD. A lot of the responses on DDD were like OMGZ!!!11 PUNX SUK!!11 one one.

It's refreshing to here the level of intellectual on this site, even though I don't agree with all the opinion expressed.

that mainly has to do with the kind of people who are posting, i have come to learn that most progressive rock fans have an open mind and are not biased in a sense that they wouldnt try or respect other genres...DDD is run by metalheads who seem to think everything else is inferior, which is why i am put off by metalheads...im not saying that there arent metalheads out there with a open mind, i know there are some, but very few...anyway i like it here, screw DDD, whos need em?, i dont.


 
Here is another question. What do you now mean by telling open mind people. People who listens all kind of music(pop, rap, and other crap), or people who listens just music.

well, open minded people dosent necessarly mean somebody who likes everything, it means music goers who can respect or appreciate every genre for what its worth...even if its a genre they dont like...speaking of which...not all rap is bad...im anything but a rap fan and i hate most of it, but at least when its done right rap requires a lot of skill, rhythm, timing and good lyrics...so i can appreciate rap when its done right(which it rarely is nowedays with the likes of chingy and nelly)...im no tupac fan, but hes a good example of how rappers can be poets, plus he was skilled on the mic....to be honest, i still get down to the funky beats of public enemy, RUN-DMC and the beastie boys every once in a while.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 12:16
The formatting ruining the first page makes this thread unreadable-
 
The "preview" button; it's your friend. Alternately: making a link.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 12:28

Ermm Well I can read it ok........and others have managed to contribute to this thread...

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 12:29
Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

The formatting ruining the first page makes this thread unreadable-
 
The "preview" button; it's your friend. Alternately: making a link.

i tried editing it, eh, ill edit it all out and let people find it themselves.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 12:48
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

The formatting ruining the first page makes this thread unreadable-
 
The "preview" button; it's your friend. Alternately: making a link.

i tried editing it, eh, ill edit it all out and let people find it themselves.

Why? Because some smart-arse wants to smarm you?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 13:20
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Why? Because some smart-arse wants to smarm you?

 
Respect for the prospective reader, maybe? And what an odd use of "smarm"...
 
Thanks for fixing it, boo boo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 13:27
Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

 
Respect for the prospective reader, maybe? And what an odd use of "smarm"...
 
 

 

Well nobody else has had any problems with it and presumably Boo Boo could read it ok (even if there was an attempt at "formatting").Therefore one would have to anticipate a problem that was not self-evident.Ergo you are being picky,and using an absolute (unreadable) which isnt warranted.Denigrating the whole thread because the original post is problematic for you.....Wacko

smarmy........the quality of applying smarm.Geek

It's in my dictionary under "people more smarmy than me"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 13:29
Like I've posted here before: early Punk and Prog had one very basic idea in common; that anything goes.
 
Their methods of creating something new and unique were very differen, but the spirit was the same. In the Court of the Crimson King and Siouxsie and the Banshees' Join Hands may not sound even remotely the same, but they're both cases artists expanding on our general musical universe by doing things that had not previously been done. You have to respect that, whether you want to listen to it or not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2005 at 13:32
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

smarmy........the quality of applying smarm.Geek

It's in my dictionary under "people more smarmy than me"

 
Well, smarmy would be "marked by a smug, ingratiating, or false earnestness", and I thought I was just being sharp and rude, which is kind of the opposite of ingratiating.
 
But you're right in that I used an absolute when I should have qualified it with "for me", and for that I do apologize.
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