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 Posted: July 03 2005 at 05:53 |
 MustShaveBeard wrote:
But emo music has always been sh*t on toast made by whiny, uninspired idiots. |
Could you give me a few example groups of this genre, since this is the third time I ask this question in this thread , and I still haven't got an answer. Since you bash emo so much, you must know some example groups.
Thanks.
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boo boo
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 11:12 |
Hammill wrote:
i believe that punk was the MAIN reason that killed prog rock in the late 70s. |
well, some people just got tired of prog, not everybody wants to listen to a 10 minute keyboard solo you know, some just dont have the patience...it wasnt just punk that killed prog in the 70s...it was also the disco craze which dominated the radio that prog once ruled, AOR that took elements of prog and made them more poppy and accessible for radio, people eventualy became more interested with bands like foreigner and journey than true prog bands, and hard rock bands like AC/DC, aerosmith and van halen who made millions from performing in the same arenas that were once ruled by jethro tull and yes only a few years prior...then theres simply the fact that many of the leading prog bands became washed up in the late 70s....mainly genesis, yes and jethro tull...and finaly, the critics, the critics, the critics.
PS.critics suck.
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Hammill
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 13:23 |
boo boo wrote:
Hammill wrote:
i believe that punk was the MAIN reason that killed prog rock in the late 70s. |
well, some people just got tired of prog, not everybody wants to
listen to a 10 minute keyboard solo you know, some just dont have the
patience...it wasnt just punk that killed prog in the 70s...it was also
the disco craze which dominated the radio that prog once ruled, AOR
that took elements of prog and made them more poppy and accessible
for radio, people eventualy became more interested with bands like
foreigner and journey than true prog bands, and hard rock bands
like AC/DC, aerosmith and van halen who made millions from performing
in the same arenas that were once ruled by jethro tull and yes only a
few years prior...then theres simply the fact that many of the leading
prog bands became washed up in the late 70s....mainly genesis, yes and
jethro tull...and finaly, the critics, the critics, the critics.
PS.critics suck. |
i totally agree with you mate, but i still believe that all these
genres you mentioned had and have more things to offer than the ones
that punk had or has.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 17:17 |
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KoS
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 22:41 |
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Rap and Punk suck only if they aren't filled with creativity so is any
other music genre but what really gets me angry is psuedo anything like
Avril because they are taking the spot of talented people like Elfonia,
Ambeon, and any other good band with a female vocalist.
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boo boo
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 23:16 |
Hammill wrote:
boo boo wrote:
Hammill wrote:
i believe that punk was the MAIN reason that killed prog rock in the late 70s. |
well, some people just got tired of prog, not everybody wants to listen to a 10 minute keyboard solo you know, some just dont have the patience...it wasnt just punk that killed prog in the 70s...it was also the disco craze which dominated the radio that prog once ruled, AOR that took elements of prog and made them more poppy and accessible for radio, people eventualy became more interested with bands like foreigner and journey than true prog bands, and hard rock bands like AC/DC, aerosmith and van halen who made millions from performing in the same arenas that were once ruled by jethro tull and yes only a few years prior...then theres simply the fact that many of the leading prog bands became washed up in the late 70s....mainly genesis, yes and jethro tull...and finaly, the critics, the critics, the critics.
PS.critics suck.
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i totally agree with you mate, but i still believe that all these genres you mentioned had and have more things to offer than the ones that punk had or has.
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punk has its good qualitys...save all the pop punk crap, i respect punks principles, which really isnt any different than progs principles, its just the approach thats drasticly different, punk has a major influence on metal, alternative rock and grunge...to be fair...not all punk rockers lack skill...tom verlaine was a brillant avant garde guitarist, D.Boon and bob quinn were also very talented punk guitarists.
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Hangedman
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 23:19 |
Id like to put it on the record that there is a HUGE amount of amazing inspired rap. Id consider myself a bit of an underground rap fan. (theres a growing trend in the rap community for artists to label themselves progressive rap if they dont want to be associated with the mainstream  , a lot of it is really great stuff). Of genres that I actually consider real, punk and emo are at the bottom, but there is still some awesome stuff in either one.
So least favourite genre eh... (all of these are pseudo genres btw)
new country (we even have a radio station devoted only to new country in ottawa  ), grindcore (well sometimes it makes me laugh ), pretty much all new pop, and i would have said 80's revival indie but im starting to come around to it (the arcade fire and the kaiser chiefs are both really good bands, and franz ferdinad is allright).
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stonebeard
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Posted: July 04 2005 at 02:23 |
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Anonymous2112
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Posted: July 04 2005 at 20:30 |
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And The Meek Shall Inherit The Earth
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hukt on fonikzz
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Posted: July 04 2005 at 23:35 |
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I can't believe so many people think rap is the shi t of the earth.
their are several kinds of rap and yea i'll agree that some suck, like
hip hop for example (50 cent, ja rule etc) but some rappers are
actually incredibly talented, im a pretty hardcore progger but at least
i can respect the ability of someone to right hundreds of words that
flow together (sometimes ryhming) all in one song...plus some french
rap belive it or not have really proggy beats to them. to deny
rap of being artistic i think is wrong, these guyz should be respected
rather than just downplayed because its a comon sterotype that people
who like band music (guitar, drums etc) hate rappers...u dont have to
like it but i think that it should be held in higher regards.
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there is no spoon...
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: July 05 2005 at 10:06 |
to judge all rap music by what you see on MTV is the same as judging all prog by what you see on MTV (or on classic rock radio for that matter). there are some amazing indie-hip-hop artists who really push the boundaries of music. DJ shadow is a good example, having virtually created the genre known as "trip-hop". there is a hip-hop band in Pittsburgh called BEAM who are completely improvisational. they never play together except at live shows, where they play turntables, drums, upright bass, effects-laden "space bass", and vocals. they flow for hours on end. amazing stuff. So, granted Ja-rule and p-diddy et al. are all musical trash, there is more out there that even a hardcore progger may enjoy if given the chance.
that said, country sucks. all of it.
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boo boo
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Posted: July 05 2005 at 10:14 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
that said, country sucks. all of it.
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a little close minded arent we?...say what you will about modern country i could care less, but old country is not bad at all...try some hank williams, johnny cash, chet atkins and doc watson.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: July 05 2005 at 10:21 |
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There's some good country-rock too. Poco for instance: their album Crazy Eyes has some very progressive moments.
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Jared
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Posted: July 05 2005 at 12:21 |
boo boo wrote:
GoldenSpiral wrote:
that said, country sucks. all of it.
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a little close minded arent we?...say what you will about modern country i could care less, but old country is not bad at all...try some hank williams, johnny cash, chet atkins and doc watson.
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what happens if you play a country & western record backwards?
The singer's partner comes back to them, and their dog is mysteriously raised from the dead..
seriously though, I really HATE rap, followed by punk. Maybe if I lived in America's mid west, I'd find C&W as offensive, but I don't.
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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memowakeman
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Posted: July 05 2005 at 12:29 |
i hate ska
in this poll i choose punk
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Velvetclown
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Posted: July 05 2005 at 12:38 |
RAP IS CRAP
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BebieM
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Posted: July 05 2005 at 17:38 |
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Why the hell did you put Big Band music on the list??
Just last week I've seen 2 concerts of big bands (jazz festival in
vancouver at the moment), and they both were totally amazing! Great
musicians, very complex structured songs, in fact they seemed quite
proggy for most of the time. (the bands were "Bik Bent Braam" from
Holland, and "Italian Instabile Orchestra" if anybody's interested...).
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Fragile
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Posted: July 05 2005 at 18:12 |
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I despise both punk and rap they are disgusting grotesque forms of music.Abominations.
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Mr. Floyd
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Posted: July 06 2005 at 00:24 |
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What does IMO mean ??
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boo boo
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Posted: July 06 2005 at 00:34 |
Mr. Floyd wrote:
What does IMO mean ?? |
IN MY OPINION. 
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